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GPTECHMAN
11-28-2006, 08:10 PM
thinking about getting a new 8gb nano or maybe a used one? I dont know anything about the generations and could use some suggestions...pros and cons:nerd:

MilesPerHour
11-28-2006, 08:16 PM
Personally, ipods are only better if you are all about iTunes and putting the downloaded m4p's directly onto your player. I think that Creative has much better products and is better priced, also with a much better user interface on their mp3 players. But I have thought about getting an ipod specifically for ease of use with iTunes.

GPTECHMAN
11-28-2006, 08:18 PM
i dont use itunes but am open to those creative zen players as well. do you have one?

grimfandango
11-28-2006, 08:30 PM
hey gp.. i like my new shuffle.. its clips to my pants or my jacket.. and its super light...
also the controls are great, since i find the ipod nano's scroll wheel kind of a ***** when i wanted to change music on my bike.


the problem is i'm worried about accidentally inhaling it... (its tiny)

-L

deathblow
11-28-2006, 09:14 PM
I resisted iPods for a long time. I now have a iPod Nano and can't live without it. In reality I only use it for working out, but it works great at that. Very easy to use and I actually prefer it to my past Creative products.

iPod: better interface, not as good sound quality, works with iTunes
Creative Zen: less intuitive interface, better sound quality, can use non-DRM enabled MP3s.

daMartian
11-28-2006, 09:35 PM
dont know nothing about ipods - i just got an 80gig video ipod and still trying to figure it out LOL

krasiejay
11-28-2006, 10:12 PM
I have the same questions about ipods. I have about 7000 songs i've accumulated, starting in 1998 when mp3's first came out, and I want a player that plays all types of mp3's and .wma's. I don't have anything to do with iTunes and am not interested in it since i have more than enough songs to keep me occupied for years.

So, would I be better off getting an iPod, Creative, or the new Zune player??? Does iPod play all types of mp3's, or do they have to be converted?

MilesPerHour
11-28-2006, 10:13 PM
Too tag off of deathblow's experience with both... and respond back to you gptech. I have had the same creative zen for a few years now so I am not able to comment on the current user interface. However, I know that in my use of iPods of friends/family I prefer my old Creative interface (ie: creating playlists on the fly), I don't know if and how much it has changed. I also have to agree with the sound quality, I am a DJ by hobby and this is really important to me so another reason for my use of the Zen. Anyways, I hope that gives you at least a little idea.

Crash716
11-28-2006, 11:21 PM
you can create playlist on the fly for all ipods....or at least up to 3 gens ago...

i'ved used most of them....being in the navy allot of guys have mp3 players so i've got to fiddle around with most...

I-tunes although a pain in the but is awesome for finding music (if you choose to do it leagally) its the best search engine out there i think.

ipods are number one for a reason...they rock...however take a look at the new sony Zune?...something like that ....i heard it rocks too!!

Cliq
11-29-2006, 01:15 AM
ipods are number one for a reason...they rock...however take a look at the new sony Zune?...something like that ....i heard it rocks too!!

Microsoft Zune, and it blows away the Ipod... If I had to shelve out 250 bones for an Ipod or Zune, I'd go Zune because of the screen is bigger and more crisp. Basically what you play on your PC you can play on Zune unlike the ipod where you gotta convert like movies to their format. A big plus is the built in Wifi of the Zune, so you say you got a cool song you want your friend to hear, you can just *beam* him the song using the wireless connection and he can listen the song 3 times before it's deleted(however I heard there is a hack of somesort to be able to keep songs *beamed* to you).
Only reason why the Ipod is good is because Apple poured millions of dollars in advertisements and dealed with 3rd party companies to make their products compatiable with the ipod only. Apple knows that it can't compete with PCs technology wise, that is why they focus on winning people over just by the *look* it portrays. The contemporary style sleek looking figure.
I guess it's working because I see people buying Imacs just for their looks. Because with 2000.00 I can build a PC computer with the best hardware available that blows away all Macs.

grimfandango
11-29-2006, 01:29 AM
geez.. i never watched videos on my 5th gen ipod.. i ended up selling it...

247BlackOut
11-29-2006, 01:35 AM
iTunes isn't only used for buying music. It's like the gmail of media players. I don't think you need anything to convert the .wav.

I <3 my iPod.

deathblow
11-29-2006, 08:35 AM
Microsoft Zune, and it blows away the Ipod... If I had to shelve out 250 bones for an Ipod or Zune, I'd go Zune because of the screen is bigger and more crisp. Basically what you play on your PC you can play on Zune unlike the ipod where you gotta convert like movies to their format. A big plus is the built in Wifi of the Zune, so you say you got a cool song you want your friend to hear, you can just *beam* him the song using the wireless connection and he can listen the song 3 times before it's deleted(however I heard there is a hack of somesort to be able to keep songs *beamed* to you).
Only reason why the Ipod is good is because Apple poured millions of dollars in advertisements and dealed with 3rd party companies to make their products compatiable with the ipod only. Apple knows that it can't compete with PCs technology wise, that is why they focus on winning people over just by the *look* it portrays. The contemporary style sleek looking figure.
I guess it's working because I see people buying Imacs just for their looks. Because with 2000.00 I can build a PC computer with the best hardware available that blows away all Macs.

Umm, more Microsoft Fanboi FUD? You seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I am a Windows/Unix sysadmin and while I like Windows, I use Macs for everything else. It really is no use arguing about this stuff without someone as ignorant as you, but oh well.

iPods just work, are easy to use, and sound decent. If you want that, then buy one, it merits or lack thereof have no distinction on what you are yapping about.

Crash716
11-29-2006, 09:20 AM
Apple knows that it can't compete with PCs technology wise, that is why they focus on winning people over just by the *look* it portrays.


such an ignorant statement bro...

if apple computers suck so bad than how come they are still around? could it be because EVERY major design firm or little mom and pop design company use and prefer mac over PC?

Oh....and the only reason people aren't building the super computers you speak of is because unlike PC apple technology can't just be picked up at your local fry's.

they both hold merits for different reasons but to say that they can't compete technology wise is just foolish bro.

spewmonkey
11-29-2006, 09:20 AM
Umm, more Microsoft Fanboi FUD? You seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I am a Windows/Unix sysadmin and while I like Windows, I use Macs for everything else. It really is no use arguing about this stuff without someone as ignorant as you, but oh well.

iPods just work, are easy to use, and sound decent. If you want that, then buy one, it merits or lack thereof have no distinction on what you are yapping about.


Dude I hope you're kidding because dressing down somebody on this forum is totally uncalled for. Take it somewhere else man.

deathblow
11-29-2006, 10:09 AM
Dude I hope you're kidding because dressing down somebody on this forum is totally uncalled for. Take it somewhere else man.

We are all big boys and girls here. I am sure we can all stand on our own two feet and read the silly comments here like adults. But unfounded and ridiculous comments are just that, and if you make 'em, then deal with the backlash.

GP, go with the iPod if you want ease of use and iTunes integration. Go with the Zen if you want more features and better sound quality, isn't that easy?

Crash716
11-29-2006, 10:18 AM
We are all big boys and girls here.




i don't know about you...but i am A MAN...a man that built the Eiffle Tower out of steel and brawn!!!

deathblow
11-29-2006, 10:38 AM
i don't know about you...but i am A MAN...a man that built the Eiffle Tower out of steel and brawn!!!

Jay,

There was never a question about whether you are a man or boy. But building the Eiffel tower? Whoa! :bowdown: :)

Dissident
11-29-2006, 11:58 AM
Man, talk about Mac fanbois! ;)

Seriously, you guys are harsh. So somelike has a different preferrence. It's not like the guy said Buells are better than hondas and Bose makes the only decent stereo; then I could understand!

That said, I try not to give MS any more money than I am forced to already, and after owning a creative soundcar and speaker setup, which had some of the worst drivers software (and tech/customer support) I will never buy another Creative product either.

Not a mac fan (used to be, but the reality is I use MS everywhere else and it's not worth the hassle to use something else at home), but the iPod really is all that. Part of the reason is the interface, ituns, but a big part is the fact that EVEYRHTING does or will work with an ipod... There's alot to be said about being able to just plug it in to your car and control it with your deck, vs. using some FM transmitter (of which there are a billion more for ipod too) or aux in jack...

I like the MobiBlu just cause it's ubersmall, cool looking, and has FM, but I'd probably still buy a nano over it for the price, just cause of increased compatibility with everything else. Right now, I don't have much use for one, so I'm holding out until I do, but in the meantime, I have a cheap pair of headphones with buil-in mp3 I use for runing (something like $25 at geeks.com) that sound ok, tho they are not so comfortable (easily fixed with some teflon tape :P)

If u want a good price (sometimes the same as everyone else, sometimes a little cheaper), with no tax and usually free shipping, check out bhphoto.com (google B&H Photo if that doesn't work)

Cyanide41
11-29-2006, 12:52 PM
I agree with Paul, one huge advantage IPOD has is that it's compatible with everything!

GPTECHMAN
11-29-2006, 12:56 PM
OK so Im not a big fan of macs, but allan is and all the other left handed people in the world so I will respect their opinions...all two of them (chuck and allan)
But I am just worried if all of my music has been ripped with WMP if you guys can fore see any problems.

Lets not make this into a my MAC can kick your PC's ASS

cause we all know the answer to that....
















GO ATARI!!!!!

TreAdidas
11-29-2006, 01:20 PM
GP, go with the iPod if you want ease of use and iTunes integration. Go with the Zen if you want more features and better sound quality, isn't that easy?

Ok ok you know I couldn't shut up for long.

Word on what everyone has said. GP you might be better served by the Zen.

Now, on to more fun stuff like my opinion. :) IPod's virtues vastly outweigh its problems.

I'll agree sound quality is a problem with the iPod, but this problem is not what I would call solved on the other players either. The problem with the iPod is its output stage. That is the built in amplification/volume control for the headphones. Fortunately with iPod's unrivaled popularity, many compelling third party solutions to iPod's "problem" have surfaced. By that I am referring to outboard amplification units for the iPod, or players that bypass this altogether.

IPod's DAC's, that is digital to analog converters (it's what turns the music file into sound) are actually damn good and unrivaled by other players from what I can tell. This is crazy important because the DAC is the heart and soul of any digital music player. So upstream from the output stage, all is well in iPod land.

In the Portable Environment:
I give you the Ray Samuels Audio "Hornet" (Click the pic for more info) (Pictured is the Tomahawk which is specifically for IEM or In Ear monitors.) Ray Samuel's "Hornet" is the same thing for standard headphones.

http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/images/news/4/dsc_0035.jpg (http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/index2.html)

This little beauty bypasses iPod's output stage and replaces it with an extremely nice headphone amp that rivals headphone stages found on some of the finest high end gear. Plus it is battery powered so it is portable.

**If you wanted you could even plug this into your home stereo with some additional high quality cabling like the GQ-Mini by KimberKable (clicky) (http://www.kimber.com/Products/Interconnects/GQ-Mini/GQCu.aspx) If interested this cable can be purchased at www.audioadvisor.com

In the mobile audio environment
Companies like Alpine make car stereo units which plug directly into the ipod and bypass it's output stage (iPod's built in volume control / headphone amplifier) and use that of the car's head unit. It makes it sound really nice.

In addition to the sound, these head units make it possible for you to control iPod via the car stereo head unit interface. I don't see many other portable players that can do that hence my "buying into a closed loop" counterpoint.

In the Home Environment
I give you iTubes by www.psiberaudio.com

http://www.stereophile.com/images/newsart/032705itube.jpg
http://www.stereophile.com/news/032805itube/

These are an interesting little number. This is a real preamplification unit specifically for the iPod. I've never seen anything like it. Phenomenal. Definitely overkill and for my nickel I'd go with the Tomahawk by Ray Samuels Audio mentioned above, but nonetheless it is available.

TreAdidas
11-29-2006, 01:29 PM
I am uncertain about the WMP files. I've never tried to do it. Fanbois?

melonheadR6
11-29-2006, 01:35 PM
Ipods are too expensive for their limited functionality. There are other players that offer more bang for less money.

I have a Sandisk Sansa and love it.

GPTECHMAN
11-29-2006, 01:51 PM
I just dont like the fact that you have to use iTunes...

Dissident
11-29-2006, 02:19 PM
My gf's ipod has no problem playing any MP3s, not ones I've ripped or that (my vast collection of online) friends has ripped.... Itunes not the greatest, but not a big deal.

CjrJAM
11-29-2006, 02:25 PM
We are all big boys and girls here. I am sure we can all stand on our own two feet and read the silly comments here like adults. But unfounded and ridiculous comments are just that, and if you make 'em, then deal with the backlash.
:popcorn:

CjrJAM
11-29-2006, 02:35 PM
I just dont like the fact that you have to use iTunes...
I just recently also woke up and smelled the roses in regard to MP3 players. A friend of mine purchased a new 80 gig Ipod and he gave me his old shuffle. After using it for about a month I decided I wanted something with more space and started shopping.
I wanted one that was diverse in it's loading ability, I didn't care about pictures and videos and all that crap, just music.
And I wanted lots of room for ALL of my music.
So I shopped around and found this http://www.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=213&subcategory=214&product=10274
I paid $145.00 for it and it meets and exceeds all I could ever want. A little bulky but it beats carrying all my CD's around. Fits 16000 songs.

wrxchic
11-29-2006, 05:05 PM
i'm anti-ipod so i bought an iRiver and LOVE IT....

http://https://secure3.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=iriver&BusType=BtoC&Count1=552074611&Count2=469215035 (https://secure3.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=iriver&BusType=BtoC&Count1=552074611&Count2=469215035)

granted, i'm not all about the bells and whistles when it comes to MP3 players; i just need something for snowboarding and riding....

i don't know if the h10 is out anymore however, the brand itself is great. and if you have windows media player, you're set. no need to convert and blablabla...

cbrsmurf
11-29-2006, 08:14 PM
I'd have to agree that ipod's are whatever and are overpriced for what they are... they aint bad, but there's a lot of better mp3 players out there.

However, one big plus about the ipod is that it is so popular that there is plenty of support and cool accessories

Cliq
11-29-2006, 08:22 PM
Umm, more Microsoft Fanboi FUD? You seriously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I am a Windows/Unix sysadmin and while I like Windows, I use Macs for everything else. It really is no use arguing about this stuff without someone as ignorant as you, but oh well.

iPods just work, are easy to use, and sound decent. If you want that, then buy one, it merits or lack thereof have no distinction on what you are yapping about.


Sorry that I took so long to reply, but I had to check my messages on microsoftfanbois.com :jackoff: I am just stating what I believe is true from my own personal experiences, if you have a problem then take it to the PM's. He asked for opinions and I came here to give my opinion. So if you have nothing nice to say you can grab a warm cup of "Coffee" (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v335/mysteron09/political/warm_cup_STFU.jpg)
:cheers: for being ignorant!


P.S MICr0s0ft rules!

deathblow
11-29-2006, 08:31 PM
Sorry that I took so long to reply, but I had to check my messages on microsoftfanbois.com :jackoff: I am just stating what I believe is true from my own personal experiences, if you have a problem then take it to the PM's. He asked for opinions and I came here to give my opinion. So if you have nothing nice to say you can grab a warm cup of "Coffee" (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v335/mysteron09/political/warm_cup_STFU.jpg)
:cheers: for being ignorant!


P.S MICr0s0ft rules!

Your l33t intarw3b h4x0r skills are teh awesome. Point taken.

Cliq
11-29-2006, 09:17 PM
such an ignorant statement bro...

if apple computers suck so bad than how come they are still around? could it be because EVERY major design firm or little mom and pop design company use and prefer mac over PC?

Oh....and the only reason people aren't building the super computers you speak of is because unlike PC apple technology can't just be picked up at your local fry's.

they both hold merits for different reasons but to say that they can't compete technology wise is just foolish bro.


I didn't say apple sucked. Sorry I wasn't specific, I meant to say Apple couldn't keep up technology wise in hardware specs. They stop producing their own processors for a reason you know. It was because AMD and Intel kept pumping out faster and faster processors every 3-4 months. As you can see now all of their new line of computers run Intel's Core Duo chips. late for class ill add on this in a bit.

grimfandango
11-29-2006, 09:48 PM
I didn't say apple sucked. Sorry I wasn't specific, I meant to say Apple couldn't keep up technology wise in hardware specs. They stop producing their own processors for a reason you know. It was because AMD and Intel kept pumping out faster and faster processors every 3-4 months. As you can see now all of their new line of computers run Intel's Core Duo chips. late for class ill add on this in a bit.

uhh.. apple never produced their own processors... IBM did...


meh.. i don't feel like giving a lecture on ppc and x86 architecture...

deathblow
11-29-2006, 09:52 PM
uhh.. apple never produced their own processors... IBM did...


meh.. i don't feel like giving a lecture on ppc and x86 architecture...

Motorola also produced some of their processors.

Cliq
11-29-2006, 10:03 PM
Fine whatever, Igorance is bliss.

deathblow
11-29-2006, 10:28 PM
Fine whatever, Igorance is bliss.
Apple has previously put a lot of money and research into developing chips which boasted excellent floating point calculation performance, and on Altivec, which were similar to the SSE instructions for the Pentium line. These chips were dubbed the G4, which was succeeded by the G5 line. These chips had main 2 weaknesses which prevented Apple from further utilizing them.

1. They produced a lot of heat, hence had poor performance per watt ratings, and
2. They were unable to scale in terms of processor speed, or Mhz, which the public wanted so badly at the time.

These factors prevented them from competing with the Athlons and Pentiums that were already proliferating the market. It's kinda ironic that the PC world has now turned from marketing speed, or Mhz, to Performance Per Watt, hence multiple cores or the debate over SOI, which IBM is now marketing (being used in the cell architecture)

Now that Apple has adopted Intel, they have gained more marketshare, albeit slowly but at an ever increasing rate.

But, let there be no doubt about it, Apples and Macs, with the exception of the iPod, is a niche market. There are many things Macs do better than PCs, but there are many more things that Macs can not do that PCs can do. In addition, Macs are more expensive. So, the 3 things that Apple have done to try to get back in the game are, use it's iPod marketshare to help 'market' itself, create a low-cost home computer (Mac Mini), and adopt Intel as its chipmaker.

Anyways, don't knock Macs until you have used it extensively, you might be surprised. And with that being said, I do 90% of my work on my XP workstation, at work, and couldn't be happier, if only Toad would stop damned crashing so much. Not that you read this, but just thought I could shed a tiny bit of light on the subject.

Oh yeah, don't sweat into your iPod, it makes them break :(.

spewmonkey
11-29-2006, 10:44 PM
Fine whatever, Igorance is bliss.
:popcorn:

Lost
11-29-2006, 10:59 PM
I'd have to agree that ipod's are whatever and are overpriced for what they are... they aint bad, but there's a lot of better mp3 players out there.

However, one big plus about the ipod is that it is so popular that there is plenty of support and cool accessories

I lovemy ipod. I down load tv shows and have over 7700 tracks.. Lots of accessories, a few bugs here and there.. I happen to really like itunes, but i don't have a ton of time to find "free" music.

One illegal but fun thing about ipod is ipod copy. Borrows your friends ipods and remove the license and make it yor own! I would never do this as its considered illegal, but its for backing up stuff :P Not stealing your buddys library...

Also icopulate does the same thing :)

Termin8r
11-29-2006, 11:00 PM
What a bunch of geeks. I'll stick with my AM radio listening to sports talk shows, thank you very much.

Lost
11-29-2006, 11:01 PM
I actually watch lots of stuff on my tv with the video cable...

Bryant, i got all of season 2 Battlestar Galactica if you missed any episodes!
(also season 2 of Lost)

CjrJAM
11-29-2006, 11:10 PM
Battlestar Galactica
:uhh:

deathblow
11-29-2006, 11:15 PM
I actually watch lots of stuff on my tv with the video cable...

Bryant, i got all of season 2 Battlestar Galactica if you missed any episodes!
(also season 2 of Lost)

The horror! I thought only guys who owned Hondas watched Battlestar Galactica.


Actually, I heard alot of good things about that show.

Lost
11-30-2006, 12:02 AM
I never said i wasn't a dork!!!

Crash716
11-30-2006, 12:14 AM
The horror! I thought only guys who owned Hondas watched Battlestar Galactica.
.


your so lucky i just sold Emma....them's fighting words mister:bringit: ...


you .....



you.....





you....apple loving freak!!!!

brakstad
11-30-2006, 01:44 AM
The horror! I thought only guys who owned Hondas watched Battlestar Galactica.
Actually, I heard alot of good things about that show.
What's wrong with Honda's???

grimfandango
11-30-2006, 01:22 PM
anyhoo.. i stole this off the internet tube...


10 Reasons why iPods beat Fruitcakes as Holiday Gifts

You can't play your music on a fruitcake.
Inserting earbuds into your fruitcake? Makes them all sticky and gooey.
iPods come in many colors and flavors. Fruitcakes are...brown.
You can't play video games on a fruitcake. (Or a Zune.)
Fruitcakes do not support smart playlists.
You can't really accessorize a fruitcake. Belkin doesn't offer a "fruitcake" section in its online store.
You can't watch the latest episode of Battlestar on a fruitcake.
Fruitcakes don't fit into your pocket.
Fruitcakes are unsuitable items to bring along with you to your workouts.
iPods? No crumbs.
10 Reasons why Fruitcakes beat iPods as Holiday Gifts

iPod price $249. Fruitcake price $21.99.
Fruitcakes need no frivolous accessories. They're usable exactly as produced.
You're less likely to waste your spending money at iTunes with a fruitcake.
Walk around wearing an iPod and everyone yawns. Walk around wearing a fruitcake and you're a trendsetter.
iPod: 2.5-inch color display. Fruitcake: 10-inch multifaceted-crystalized-fruit display.
You can't use an iPod as a football. Or a door stop.
Fruitcakes have no batteries to replace.
iPod: 7,500 songs. Fruitcake: the song in your heart, and the antacids in your medicine cabinet.
You can't call your enemy "nutty as an iPod". Well, you can. But nobody's going to understand you.
In all likelihood, your fruitcake will still be usable three years from now.

deathblow
11-30-2006, 02:16 PM
What's wrong with Honda's???

Nothing at all, only that big sexy bald guys ride 'em :).

melonheadR6
11-30-2006, 03:23 PM
Nothing at all, only that big sexy bald guys ride 'em :).

Hey! I'm not bald! .......yet :ha: :cheers:

Lost
11-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Hey! I'm not bald! .......yet :ha: :cheers:

Your not se.... Ah forget it, i got Battlestar to watch!!!

pjpellici
11-30-2006, 08:01 PM
phuck it just get a WALKMAN and be over with it! Play those old tapes and maybe make some new ones?

Oh yeah Macs are good what they are good for and PC's do their job as well! But was this not about an IPOD?

Cliq
11-30-2006, 10:34 PM
You can buy Zune 30gb for 219.99 shipped to your door at buy.com
1. Activate 12% off (http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?siteID=WU2g3IJmOT8-0I8xJR.seyC5y.PNYj9.JA&PAGE=STATICPAGE&PAGE_ID=3602&cid=103562&fp=F&siteID=lw9MynSeamY-yjJYkpqhUe3iBWxZGXNwuw)
2.Search for "zune" and add to cart.
3. Final price $219 + free shipping + no tax most states.

Great price if you like the zune, a lil more info about the Zune, I pulled off another forum:
Myth: The Zune has a poor battery life.
Truth: Rated battery lives for the iPod Video and the Zune are within one hour of each other. And don't forget Apple's track record with batteries, as a former 3G iPod owner, I sure haven't.

Myth: The Zune has more DRM than the iPod.
Truth: The only DRM that the Zune has that the iPod doesn't is via the wireless-transmission: something that MS had to put in, or else would have been sued by the RIAA. Besides that, the Zune has no more DRM than the iPod. Not only that, but the Zune allows you to sync your music back to your computer, something Apple won't let you do. With the Zune, you can also buy a pass that allows you to download anything you want for $15/month, something you can't do on the iPod.

Myth: MS made the "points" system to hold onto your money.
Truth: MS doesn't care about the $.53 cents in your account, they hardly did this to screw anyone over. They made the points system to interact with the XBOX Live system, and other future MS Live marketplaces so you can use your points bought in one place anywhere. One big ecosystem that interacts well.

Myth: Zune only plays WMAs.
Truth: Zune plays MP3, AAC (MP4), and WMA/WMV.

Myth: The Zune is much heavier than the iPod Video.
Truth: It's heavier by a factor of about the weight of two quarters, and you've got an RDS-enabled radio and 802.11 wireless on the Zune.

Myth: MS is a slave of the RIAA.
Truth: Yes, MS had to pay a fee to Universal ($1 per unit) or else risk having their catalog pulled from the Zune Marketplace. It's extortion, pure and simple. And guess what? Universal's going to be doing it to Apple too.

Myth: Zune software crashes a lot.
Truth: Uh, no. Despite Engadget's FUD, there have been no widespread reports of problems with installing the Zune software. And if you read the end of that article, you'd see that they installed it on another computer with no problems. That's usually indicative of a problem with the computer, not the software.

Myth: The Zune's screen is larger, yet has the same resolution so the quality sucks.
Truth: While it is true that the resolution is the same, the quality doesn't suffer. At all. If you don't believe me, go to a CC or Target and see for yourself. The large screen looks awesome.

Plus, Zune software streams automatically to an XBOX 360 console, with videos AND audio. A comparable Apple accessory would probably cost the same as an XBOX console and not even play games.

Apple's awesome. And the iPod really is a better choice for some people. I just bought a Zune because I don't listen to fanboy's ranting and I did the comparison for myself. The Zune is a cool device, and I'm glad I bought one (full disclosure). And no, I don't work for MS.

deathblow
12-01-2006, 12:33 AM
The Zune does look cool, and was not available until very recently. But, for my uses, it is way too big, I use my iPod Nano at the gym, where I train every morning. I had a regular iPod, but using it with the armband was not as comfortable as I would have liked, and the Nano seems to have the right balance of size and features that fits, me.

Don't work for Microsoft? Too bad, otherwise I'd throw some pennies your way for a pretty good job on Vista. I certainly like it :) on my Mac:

http://resolve.smugmug.com/photos/114029255-M.jpg

grimfandango
12-01-2006, 01:23 AM
hey deathblow.. what's the calendar app you have running in the bottom rt corner? oh.. and i find ie7's interface horrendous

deathblow
12-01-2006, 08:37 AM
hey deathblow.. what's the calendar app you have running in the bottom rt corner? oh.. and i find ie7's interface horrendous

That is simply Calc that I am running on geektool. I am running top, uptime, and calc, normally 'nix commands on terminal in geektool. You can download it here: http://projects.tynsoe.org/en/geektool/

I was running df -k and a couple other commands, but found I rarely glanced at them.

Crash716
12-01-2006, 09:20 AM
That is simply Calc that I am running on geektool. I am running top, uptime, and calc, normally 'nix commands on terminal in geektool. You can download it here: http://projects.tynsoe.org/en/geektool/

I was running df -k and a couple other commands, but found I rarely glanced at them.


in english baxter! you know i don't speak snanish!

deathblow
12-01-2006, 09:50 AM
in english baxter! you know i don't speak snanish!

OS X, the operating system for Macs, have a command line utility similar to a terminal or console in Unix and Linux operating systems. You can run commands like, oh wait, you were kidding, damn you! :-p

TreAdidas
12-01-2006, 10:30 AM
YOu know just staring at that pic of a Mac desktop here at work just makes me smile :red:

grimfandango
12-01-2006, 01:34 PM
i use quiksilver, so i don't have a cluttered launchbar anymore =D

thx deathblow.. i could always use more desktop candy..

http://static.flickr.com/114/311342848_29df6e011d.jpg

deathblow
12-01-2006, 02:32 PM
i use quiksilver, so i don't have a cluttered launchbar anymore =D

thx deathblow.. i could always use more desktop candy..



I have heard alot of good things about Quicksilver, just have not got around to playing with it yet. I'll give it a shot.