weighing pegs to pivot

[flare]

i don't have my twist of the wrist books with me in SD, but its been bothering me. how does that go again? weigh outside peg while leaning in? can someone explain this?

[Termin8r]

You'll get different schools of thought on this as this has been discussed before. Since you mentioned Twist of the Wrist though, Keith Code suggest to weight the outside peg simply for the purpose of making it easier to push the inside bar during a high speed turn.

[Lost]

Like rich said, your gunna get different opinions.

I would say to look at the pro's and emulate who ever you think looks cooler. There are so many styles, and most of them work.

[flare]

well, the problem with emulating the pros is you can't tell where they're applying weight and pressure.

what i usually do is weigh the inside peg to help with the turn-in, then... then i'm not really sure what i do while in mid corner. i just can't seem to wrap my head around the "pivoting with the pegs" business.

[Lost]

well, the problem with emulating the pros is you can't tell where they're applying weight and pressure.



I guess im saying that there are different schools of thought and at the end of the day, it probablly does not matter.

[Lost]

Here is a thread that talks too much about it :)

http://www.r6messagenet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100166&highlight=weighting+peg

[flare]

cool thread, thx

[shaggy]

Watch any pro racer go through a corner with there elbow on the ground with their outside leg off the peg and you should see that putting your weight on the outside peg is pretty useless. unless your trying to stand the bike up all you weight should be on your inside peg. I like Keith Code, he runs a great school, but many of his ideas just don't make sense for hard riding (it's all great for the street though!). no trail braking...right!

[Termin8r]

Watch any pro racer go through a corner with there elbow on the ground with their outside leg off the peg and you should see that putting your weight on the outside peg is pretty useless. unless your trying to stand the bike up all you weight should be on your inside peg. I like Keith Code, he runs a great school, but many of his ideas just don't make sense for hard riding (it's all great for the street though!). no trail braking...right!

In Keith's defense, Jason, he suggest weighting the outside peg to initiate the turn, not during. It's not for any other reason than to be able to exert more force to initiate the countersteer, especially on a fast turn. Those pro racers would have done so BEFORE they were dragging elbow.

And you're right...Keith doesn't teach trail braking but I'm not sure that's the case for his actual race school.

[sandogn]

Here is my two cents. When I initiate the turn I do put weight on the outside peg. Why??? Because I shift my body to the inside of the bike. Rather than just sliding my butt laziliy off the seat and sitcking a knee out I change my body position by using my legs. So when I turn left I push down hard on the right peg and sort of lift to the inside of the bike.

During mid corner My outside foot is sometimes falling off the peg, but it is only because I am carrying so much weight with my outside leg (upper leg) that it does not matter. One point that I will argue is that I do not carry all of my weight on the inside peg during mid corner. I know others that say they do this, but it seems like you are setting yourself up for a disaster so I don't practice the technique. I try to keep my weight balanced. Mid corner and have virtually no weight on my arms (they stay very loose), and I am able to move both feet around on the pegs. Once I saved a lowside by taking my foot off the inside peg and kicking the bike up (Happened in Riverside at Buttonwillow, ask Freddi).

Long story short, the only way to truly steer a bike is with the handlebars. The no BS bike that Keith Code uses has long proved that. I seem to weight pegs inside and outside according to how I need to stay balanced and keep the weight off those bars. In the end I go pretty quick and seem to be able to ride more miles in a track day than most people can bear.

Get a dirtbike to learn about the pegs, you will learn they are your friends. I honestly think about 75% of the time I spend on the track my butt is barely touching the seat. The bike just handles better and suspension react better when more weight is carried low.

Remeber this rule that can be applied to all forms of motorcyling body position :
1st weight the pegs, then the seat, then the handlebars.

This keeps the center of gravity low.

[flare]

that makes a lot of sense, weighing the pegs to keep the COG low.

[adobo]

+1 on keeping your arse off the seat... it does help, especially for those bumpy tracks!

[Cyanide41]

Steve, I know you have a lot of dirt experience. I am a dirt newb but I weight the outside peg to help gain some traction. I do the same thing on the road. Not that traction is as much of an issue, but in the event that it does break loose, weighting the outside could help keep it under me.

I use my body a lot to steer. When trying to tighten up my line, I squeeze with the outside knee like I was trying to do a thigh master.

[Termin8r]

I squeeze with the outside knee like I was trying to do a thigh master.

Is that before or after your Pilates class, sissy boy?

[Cyanide41]

Is that before or after your Pilates class, sissy boy?

In order to avoid bad karma at the track this weekend, I will refrain from responding to that comment. Have a wonderful weekend Rich!

[Termin8r]

In order to avoid bad karma at the track this weekend, I will refrain from responding to that comment. Have a wonderful weekend Rich!

:roflmao:

Have fun at the track, Jimmy boy. :thumbsup:

[Kurt'sSV]

I'll already have my body shifted over to one side well before the turn (meaning weight is off my outside leg when it's time to turn).

I'll weight my inside peg for turn in and counter steer the bike.

Mid corner I'm hanging on with my outside thigh and balancing myself with that thigh and inside foot. I will countersteer or use the throttle to steer the bike through the apex.

If I wasn't on a girl's bike, I would weigh the outside peg on corner exit to get the bike stood up quicker so I can use the throttle more. With 78bhp, I don't need to worry about that and just grab a handfull.

[GetnJgyWitit]

I'll already have my body shifted over to one side well before the turn (meaning weight is off my outside leg when it's time to turn).

I'll weight my inside peg for turn in and counter steer the bike.

Mid corner I'm hanging on with my outside thigh and balancing myself with that thigh and inside foot. I will countersteer or use the throttle to steer the bike through the apex.

If I wasn't on a girl's bike, I would weigh the outside peg on corner exit to get the bike stood up quicker so I can use the throttle more. With 78bhp, I don't need to worry about that and just grab a handfull.

While I agree with everything you've said, I'm still very cautious with grabbing a hand full of throttle on the sv. I learned the hard way that they will still high side and send you flying. Depending on the track there are places to weight the outside peg to get the bike to stand up so you can get on the gas. Anytime there is a chance to spin up the rear I try to weight the out side peg and hang off a bit more and get the bike stood up so the throttle can be applied.

[Kurt'sSV]

I grab a hand full smoothly. ;)

[GetnJgyWitit]

I grab a hand full smoothly. ;)

Damn! I knew I was doing something wrong!