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I will try to update this thread as i get parts in and installed.
Slowly it is coming together. I have had my 06 R6 since October and I did not start its transformation untill January. What i have done so far:
Galfer brake lines and HH pads. I really did not appreciate the brakes on this bike as compared to my 03 R6. For those that do not know, my 03 was a Graves bike with a supersport build up. It was raced in Formula Extreme for a few races as well as WSMC for a few races before i bought it. The first thing i had to do was to replace the stock pads and lines. Braking got quite a bit better!
Next was a set of Pazzo levers. I am short and some would say stocky. Being 5'7,i have small fat hands. Pazzo's give me total control because i can move the levers closer to the bars to improve feel and leverage. Because the levers are closer to the bars i get much less fatigue and for a fat SOB like myself, this is a good thing! One more thing to note is that pazzos allow you to set the stiffness of the levers. If you like a super stiff feel, you can dial it up. If your like me that likes it slightly (very slight) mushy for more feel, you can dial that up!
Next up was a GPR damper. I had a GPR on my 03 gix 1k. It worked well and best of all was CHEAP! I have always maintained that a damper is not a performance part, so if it does its job, save your $ here. Ihave an ohlins on my 03 and must say it is a superior piece of hardware. The bottom line is that it just does not matter that much as long as it dampens headshake.
Since im not about to scrach up a set of stock body work, a set of Catalyst Composite race glass was next on the list. These guys went out of their way to get it to me on short notice. The paint was not totally dry when i picked them up!
These last two parts were ordered from Buymoto on 3 business days before a track day. While my 03 was up and running, a good friend was in need of a bike for a track day, so i called buymoto in a panic to see if they could get me the parts i needed in time. Long story short, Matt (of buymoto) went in on a day off and the store was closed to pick up the GPR. They also arranged for me to pick up the race glass that HAD TO BE MADE. While the paint was still drying, i picked up the bodywork. Pre drilled and ready to go!!!
So after riding the 06 R6 all I can say about the throttle is that it sucks. Like alot of stock parts, its intended to keep squids off of their arse, so there is almost no way to open the throttle all the way up with out double gripping it. The next mod would be an adjustable throttle. Since the Yoyodyne treated me so well on the 03, i ordered one for the 06. Again the buymoto crew had quite a hard time finding the part # since is was so new and not in their catalog. The Yoyodyne throttle come with new cables and 3 wheels that determine how far you have to turn the throttle till your all the way open. By the test riders assesment, the mildest was still not enough so i changes out to the middle wheel. Time will tell if i need to use the most aggressive wheel.
It took quite a bit to get the lines installed. Its kind if wierd attaching the lines to the wheel and box that determines throttle position. It does not connect to the butterflys, so its kinda strange(not to mention damn near impossible to get set up properly. It took 2-3 hours just to install the cables and throttle to my liking.
So this is where i am currently at:
TTX shock and a 19x18 brembo master cylinder. More to come later as parts come in and as i get stuff installed!
Cyanide41
02-22-2007, 10:58 PM
Didn't WERA ban that MC? I think they said it brakes too well. WTF???
brakstad
02-22-2007, 11:11 PM
Some nice looking hardware there! I like!
Didn't WERA ban that MC? I think they said it brakes too well. WTF???
Exactly! Since us fat over the hill bastards need every advantage (and since im racing WSMC), i got one!
HenryF
02-22-2007, 11:15 PM
Sweet keep it updated man!
Some nice looking hardware there! I like!
Stay tuned! That shock is getting lonley..
Are you going to do a GSXR 600 write up?
I know you got plans for that bike!!
flare
02-23-2007, 12:42 AM
how much did the brembo set you back? i gotta say man, your bike is sooo money (both literally and figuratively).
cbrsmurf
02-23-2007, 12:43 AM
nice! you can use your brake pads from your 03 bike on your 06 -- I assume a formula extreme bike would have some crazy pads?
have you ridden the bike yet? how does it feel compared to your 03???
techne
02-23-2007, 12:46 AM
Aaron, at this rate your 06 R6 will soon be more tricked out than the 03 ...
nice! you can use your brake pads from your 03 bike on your 06 -- I assume a formula extreme bike would have some crazy pads?
have you ridden the bike yet? how does it feel compared to your 03???
Jeff - since i have some large dollar parts i am buying (Forks and shock alone are stupid expensive), HH pads are ok for now. I will get carbon pads eventually, but for now, i just don't need them. The race temp friction coefficents are not too much different, so for now ill go cheap. $130 pad will not be hard in 8 months, but for now its the difference in say a stock ttx shock or a properly set up ttx shock (yea, the ttx needs to be revalved to work really well :( )
I have not ridden it on the track yet. There has been a secret test rider putting it thru its paces.. :)
GetnJgyWitit
02-23-2007, 01:51 AM
Exactly! Since us fat over the hill bastards need every advantage (and since im racing WSMC), i got one!
You don't really need a brembo at Big Track. There is no braking! LOL hold the throttle open! It will come in handy at Streets though!
Arnold_R1
02-23-2007, 10:52 AM
Hey Aaron, what about a pipe and all that good stuff? Are you going to have mapped by Louie?
brakstad
02-23-2007, 11:32 AM
Are you going to do a GSXR 600 write up?
I know you got plans for that bike!!
Uh, I'm gonna keep it pretty much stock... :rasta:
Arnold - Im waiting on parts :)
Bengt - LIAR :)
Cyanide41
02-23-2007, 12:06 PM
It's hard to see in the pic, but are those the suber bike brake lines that screw directly into the cailpers? Do you have a clutch side adjuster too?
GPTECHMAN
02-23-2007, 12:09 PM
Where da wheels at :rasta:
It's hard to see in the pic, but are those the suber bike brake lines that screw directly into the cailpers? Do you have a clutch side adjuster too?
Galfer does not make them for the 06 r6 :(
At lease they didn't when i talked to the Galfer rep.
No clutch side adjuster. Never really needed one.
Sean - No wheels. I have 2 sets of stock rims and thats gunna be it.
GPTECHMAN
02-23-2007, 01:05 PM
I had so much hope for you aaron...now it is all lost...it is a somber day....
:sad:
Shady
02-23-2007, 01:39 PM
Nice build. I went a little different route than you, but I’ve just now got my 06R6 to where I like it after spending a ton of time and $$$ on parts and setup. I cant believe you thought that the throttle throw was too far…I have terrible problems with arm pump and the yoyodyne throttle was one of my first parts upgrades on the 04R6 and 06ZXRR, but the 06R6 is less than ¼ turn stock and seems fine for me. Were you able to find someone that could work on the TTX?
Nice build. I went a little different route than you, but I’ve just now got my 06R6 to where I like it after spending a ton of time and $$$ on parts and setup. I cant believe you thought that the throttle throw was too far…I have terrible problems with arm pump and the yoyodyne throttle was one of my first parts upgrades on the 04R6 and 06ZXRR, but the 06R6 is less than ¼ turn stock and seems fine for me. Were you able to find someone that could work on the TTX?
Maybe we have different tubes? Mine was REALLY far.
Yes, GP has worked on the TTX. Jason Perez has used it and they set his up. I am going to send it up to them probablly after i get the forks on and can practice a bit on it. Im not putting the ttx on the bike untill i get the forks on. In fact i will probablly not ride it till i get the suspension back from the vendors.
Any good info you'd like to share with an old buddy reguarding trick parts that made a big diff? :squid:
itr835
02-23-2007, 03:49 PM
Sweet Bike! I envy you. Keep it up.
cbrsmurf
02-23-2007, 06:14 PM
oh yea, and don't forget you need a new banjo bolt for the 19x18 brembo master cylinder because the threading is different between the stock MC and the 19x18... don't ask me how I know :p
MrCrashRR
02-23-2007, 06:27 PM
oh yea, and don't forget you need a new banjo bolt for the 19x18 brembo master cylinder because the threading is different between the stock MC and the 19x18... don't ask me how I know :p
yep pitch is 1 not 1.25 like the stockers..
i have a few extra i think if you are in a bind and cant find one
I am actually. i effed up and ordered a single line instead of a two line bolt!!
Shady
02-23-2007, 06:47 PM
As far as racing improvements I’d def suggest the PCIII/Ingition Module/Quickshifter combo as your next mod. I was reluctant to put it on my bikes because I’m pretty good at clutchless upshifts, but I cant say enough about what the quickshifter does for the bike. On top of faster and surer shifts, it also instilled the confidence (with a properly set up shock) to be able to throw down clutchless upshifts at nearly full-lean without fearing a highside from the backend stepping out from tire spin. I was upshifting 2 times coming out of turn 4 of Cali Speedway on full throttle and 60% lean where I would normally have to either wait until the end of the turn or stand the bike up to make the shift. Over the course of a track with 20 or so shifts per lap you are talking major time savings with the quickshifter.
Shady
02-23-2007, 06:53 PM
Another "free" mod you should definitely look into is altering the slipperclutch to have less initial grab. In stock form the slipper is gnarly (and almost dangerous) on the track. Hit me up and I'll give you the details.
GetnJgyWitit
02-23-2007, 08:42 PM
Another "free" mod you should definitely look into is altering the slipperclutch to have less initial grab. In stock form the slipper is gnarly (and almost dangerous) on the track. Hit me up and I'll give you the details.
Yeah I was watching Kurt Spencer slide the rear all around going into T11 at Sears Point. Pretty fun! LOL
techne
02-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Arnold and Adam are working on that mod as we speak. You should ask them at Willow next Monday!
T3xrr
02-24-2007, 07:13 PM
Another "free" mod you should definitely look into is altering the slipperclutch to have less initial grab. In stock form the slipper is gnarly (and almost dangerous) on the track. Hit me up and I'll give you the details.
Yes i did the slipper mod on my 06 R6 as well and it works great. Less grab-less engine braking. You will probably have to re-adjust on some corners If you are too use to the stock slipper. Overall, well worth it.
I have read up on it. Ill see you guys next monday and ask you all about it. Ill be on my 03 still. The 06 is at least a month or two from being ready.
I wonder what is next....
Here is a teaser....
Arnold.. Adam.. How was the slipper mod? Did you take one spring out, or cut two sets of ears off?
CaptainCR
03-06-2007, 09:58 PM
Arnold.. Adam.. How was the slipper mod? Did you take one spring out, or cut two sets of ears off?
We cut all the tabs off two of the "Y" springs leaving just one "Y" spring intact. It worked like a charm. There was a night and day difference compared to stock. I give the slipper mod :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
powerban
03-06-2007, 10:21 PM
I hope you didnt pay too much for those AK20's.
I hope you didnt pay too much for those AK20's.
AK20's?
powerban
03-06-2007, 10:46 PM
OK i guess they're ohlins. Sorry for the mistake.
OK i guess they're ohlins. Sorry for the mistake.
Ahh duh! Yea, i went with thte Ohlins cartridges (25mm) (i paid a fair price). Im going to revalve as well.
What do the AK20's run?
deathblow
03-06-2007, 11:02 PM
Ahh duh! Yea, i went with thte Ohlins cartridges (25mm) (i paid a fair price). Im going to revalve as well.
What do the AK20's run?
AK-20s are about $900. I think Bengt likes 'em :).
brakstad
03-07-2007, 01:23 AM
Yep, I like them. Don't you like them Allan? :)
deathblow
03-07-2007, 08:33 AM
Yep, I like them. Don't you like them Allan? :)
I love them, just wish I could use 'em like you do :bowdown: !
rondre3000
03-08-2007, 07:16 AM
Ahh duh! Yea, i went with thte Ohlins cartridges (25mm) (i paid a fair price). Im going to revalve as well.
Just curious, but why a revalve on a brand new 25mm cartridge kit?
-r.
Just curious, but why a revalve on a brand new 25mm cartridge kit?
-r.
Because its still not set up as well as it could be. The rear shock will be revalved as well. The advice from the suspension tuners is that while they are awesome stock, to get the most out of them ,they need to be revalved. I may throw them on and test them out before i revalve depending o how much time i have before the races. Im really up in the air right now and my just race my 03 this month. There is a ton to do on this bike and not alot of time to get it done.
rondre3000
03-08-2007, 01:36 PM
Because its still not set up as well as it could be. The rear shock will be revalved as well. The advice from the suspension tuners is that while they are awesome stock, to get the most out of them ,they need to be revalved. I may throw them on and test them out before i revalve depending o how much time i have before the races. Im really up in the air right now and my just race my 03 this month. There is a ton to do on this bike and not alot of time to get it done.
Gotcha. I had heard about revalving brand new Ohlins shocks (I had mine done as well) but didn't know it was neccesary on the fork cartridges. That and I'm sure a racer's priorities are different than the regular trackday guy.
btw- thanks for putting this thread together. Even though I ride a different bike, it's been pretty educational.
-r.
powerban
03-08-2007, 01:44 PM
Ive seen Ak20's sell for 800 brand new.
rondre3000
03-08-2007, 01:54 PM
Hmmm, is that straight from Traxxion? They list them for $999. If not from Traxxion, why don't you share where you've seen them selling for $800? I'm sure that others interested would appreciate it.
-r.
powerban
03-08-2007, 02:50 PM
OK i just checked and the price would be 850ish plus shipping. Sorry for the mistake. I dont think im allowed to say whom because of forum rules.
deathblow
03-08-2007, 03:33 PM
Hmmm, is that straight from Traxxion? They list them for $999. If not from Traxxion, why don't you share where you've seen them selling for $800? I'm sure that others interested would appreciate it.
-r.
I purchased my AK-20s from the WERA 2006 Supersport and Superstock champion. He also rides a 2006 GSXR-600 :). He listed them on the WERA forums for $700 and I saw this about 2 minutes after he posted. I replied and paid for them within an hour. For an extra $90, he had his mechanic perform the installation for me. The guy that did the work was Evan Steel, who is supposed to be also very knowledgeable. Here is his website:
http://www.evansteelperformance.com/
rondre3000
03-08-2007, 04:21 PM
I purchased my AK-20s from the WERA 2006 Supersport and Superstock champion. He also rides a 2006 GSXR-600 :). He listed them on the WERA forums for $700 and I saw this about 2 minutes after he posted. I replied and paid for them within an hour. For an extra $90, he had his mechanic perform the installation for me. The guy that did the work was Evan Steel, who is supposed to be also very knowledgeable. Here is his website:
http://www.evansteelperformance.com/
As Mr. Dynamite would say...."Luuuuucky!".
So it been a long time since i have updated this thread. I have all the suspension on, the brembo on, and i've added a superbike tail and shark skins bodywork.
AS FOR THE SUSPENSION. They say that there is never too much of a good thing.WRONG!!! Untill my brain can assimilate all of the info that the bike is telling me, im in trouble! Bottom line is that the suspension is so knife edged that untill i learn to process suspension feedback , im struggleing!
The good news is that i am starting to understand the suspension. I know that my geometry is off, and to figure that out was no easy feat. I now understand why race teams have notebooks and change settings every track. Without adjustments, you cannout get the most out of the setup i am running.
I did get to talk to Mr. Wiwi about the 06 setup and he again reenforced the fact that a note book was essential to getting the suspension sorted.
The good news is that the bike dynoed strong and it sounds like i cant ge tthe power i wantrunning premium, so i guess i gotta buy another bike for the street. Ducati time? Depends if the 858 is bs or not.....
GPTECHMAN
06-16-2007, 12:45 AM
isnt it a 848?
GPTECHMAN
06-16-2007, 01:53 PM
so whats wrong with it right now aaron?
isnt it a 848?
Your right, 848.. Was late (read aaron was drinking...)
so whats wrong with it right now aaron?
Geometry is off (big wheel effect), but its getting better. The problem is that im thinking of changing tires again to the n-tec dunlops. The Pirelli tires are wearing very bad at the belt seams. Both times on the left side of the bike. It ruins an otherwise perfectly good tire. The pirelli's are awesome, but it looks like its back to dunlops.
The main problem is that the 03 has a very soft frame. It flexes as part of the suspension, and thus soaks up alot of what we call feedback. Now the 06r6 chasis is VERY stiff. You feel every bit of feedback. With the superbike tail, there is alot of information being transmitted to the rider. The problem lies in that the bike gives tire feedback going in a straight line, not to mention how much feedback you get cranked over a turn at 120+.
I need to be able to better filter the info and learn what feedback is meaningless and i can ignore it. I'm not saying that the new bike is not fast, its infact the fastest 600 i have been on, and that includes the 03 engine work and all. I have found my limits as a rider and now need to learn to ride a machine that is miles ahead of anything i had ridden.
Bottom line - Rider needs to get better!
Just in... Dynojet ignition module, quick shifter, and speedo healer. I just need the quick connect for the speedo healer and i'm ready to dive into putting it all in. Also picked up a set of shark skins, (as mentioned above). I wanna get this stuff painted and since there is that guy that does also of race work in escondido where i work, i might have to get both sets done. I might sell the other set, or keep it for when i bin it.
Update: I got the quickshifter and ignition module in and everything seems to be working fine. I had to update the firmware and software of the pcIII and everything went smoothly.
Once i got the pcIII and the ignition box talking to each other, i opened my custom map that L&L did and i opened lloyds(Tzr6racer) map he posted on the r6 board. I cut his ignition table out and pasted it into the new ignition box. The only problem is the the ingition table is written for U4 and im using pump. Im hoping that the pcIII tables don't need to be changes because of the changes in the ignition tables, but that does not make sence. If i am changing the ignition timing, won't that change the ideal fuel mixture since the cylinder is firing at a slightly different time in slightly different conditions? Worst case scenario, i zero the ignition map till i can get it properly tuned.
Someone help me out before i blow this thing up :squid:
BTW, can anyone change the title to say r6 not r. Thanks!
GPTECHMAN
07-15-2007, 10:52 AM
so you have a custom map for your bike with just the pc and you cut and pasted lloyd's ignition map in assuming that your map would still apply to your bike. Is that correct?
so you have a custom map for your bike with just the pc and you cut and pasted lloyd's ignition map in assuming that your map would still apply to your bike. Is that correct?
I knew from the start that this would be a longshot, that the pcIII values would stay the same or close enough with an ignition table modified. Even when i was installing the ignition table i noticed how radical(the table maxxes out the values in a few areas!!!!!) the tuneing got on the ignition map, i kinda realized that there was no way the pcIII was going to be right with that much ignition change. I started it up on the stands still in pieces and it sounded good, but untill you have a chance to take it to redline in each gear, you don't know by sound if its ok... The more i think about it i will probablly get the maps off of the graves site and test that against my custom map with a zero ignition map.
So to answer your question, yes. Untill i was actually looking at the maps i thought it might be doable, though not optimal. Once i looked at the maps, it was obvious that this would not work.
P.S. - Thanks for changing the title! :)
GPTECHMAN
07-23-2007, 02:19 PM
talked to dan kyle at the GP and he said you can run the default ignition module map to run the quickshifter and be fine.
I know that can run a zero map, but my frankenstein map seems to work well. Added a little more pep, but nothing gained under 8k. We'll see what happens at the track. Im bringing the laptop, so i can play with stuff a little bit.
Arnold_R1
07-23-2007, 04:59 PM
AK-20s are about $900. I think Bengt likes 'em :).
I like them too! Actually I <3 Allan's entire bike setup! :wub:
OK i just checked and the price would be 850ish plus shipping. Sorry for the mistake. I dont think im allowed to say whom because of forum rules.
Share the wealth! Where can you AK20's for 850 +shipping?!?
So it been a long time since i have updated this thread. I have all the suspension on, the brembo on, and i've added a superbike tail and shark skins bodywork.
AS FOR THE SUSPENSION. They say that there is never too much of a good thing.WRONG!!! Untill my brain can assimilate all of the info that the bike is telling me, im in trouble! Bottom line is that the suspension is so knife edged that untill i learn to process suspension feedback , im struggleing!
The good news is that i am starting to understand the suspension. I know that my geometry is off, and to figure that out was no easy feat. I now understand why race teams have notebooks and change settings every track. Without adjustments, you cannout get the most out of the setup i am running.
I did get to talk to Mr. Wiwi about the 06 setup and he again reenforced the fact that a note book was essential to getting the suspension sorted.
The good news is that the bike dynoed strong and it sounds like i cant ge tthe power i wantrunning premium, so i guess i gotta buy another bike for the street. Ducati time? Depends if the 858 is bs or not.....
Aaron, either a 1098 or a 848, you won't be disappointed! This bike is the shiet! :thumbsup:
For the R6, I'm definitely going with the AK's over the Ohlins! Even though Ohlins is Bengt's kine, I believe the Penski felt a lot better. I rode Allan's bike and it was by far a solid handling bike! :woot:
GPTECHMAN
10-12-2007, 05:26 PM
Hey aaron you ever get that thing mapped and set up? What fuel are you going to use? pump or 4.2?
Yea, im using the frankenstein map i made. Works good nuff till i can get it on a dyno for tuning!
Im using pump for now, no engine work to need the good stuff!
GPTECHMAN
10-14-2007, 10:45 AM
The u4.2 doesnt need any engine work...its just highly oxygenated goodness...you shouldve taken advantage of Louie when he was at del mar fair grounds...:)
Yea, the u4.2 is good lovin'... I just don't need 2 ore hp right now. HP is the least of my worries :)
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