Look, Lean, Roll...

[dre_2k2_f4i]

After over a year of riding, I finally feel comfortable with the first two parts. Here are some of the action items. Please add your critiques and opinions!

Look -- I often times exaggerate my head turn. My eyeballs are actively scanning my surroudings, though. I am also trying to work up my detection and processing of items in my peripheral vision.

Lean -- At the track, I was employing a whole bunch of new concepts to me regarding turning. Towards the end of the day, I stopped thinking and just rode by instinct, and felt very good!
- push off the bike with my lower body.
- support my weight with the outside footpeg.
- tuck the inside foot; on the peg practically with my toes.
- push the grip to initiate the countersteer (for the longest time I was pulling the opposite grip!!!)
- turn-in point is deep: turn in tight then minimize steering inputs through the turn.
- entrance speed is reached before leaning. No trail braking (though I am able to trail brake if necessary)
- constant throttle position to maintain speed until apex.

Roll -- I am having a hard time trusting my tires enough to get on the throttle at the apex. My "roll" right now is more like "keep throttle steady where it is at and maintain your speed" :( Here are somethings I am trying to keep in mind:
- slow in, fast out.
- slowly roll on the throttle.
- keep grip on handlebar light.
- ???? (Help me accelerate through the turn!)

[deathblow]

I very much go by feel when rolling on the throttle. I know unless I really get on it, the rear will not spin up. I didn't really try to spin up the rear at SOW because I didn't have confidence from my front end.

[deno]

Originally posted by deathblow
I didn't really try to spin up the rear at SOW because I didn't have confidence from my front end.


?confused?

if you get on the gas, shouldn't it reduce the load on the front tire by sending it to the nice fat meat in the rear?

hence freeing up traction in front?

[deathblow]

Originally posted by deno
?confused?

if you get on the gas, shouldn't it reduce the load on the front tire by sending it to the nice fat meat in the rear?

hence freeing up traction in front?


True, but I had a several front end slides that occurred as I was trying to roll on the throttle. Dunno....

[deno]

Originally posted by dre_2k2_f4i



- ???? (Help me accelerate through the turn!)


Look -- I often times exaggerate my head turn. My eyeballs are actively scanning my surroudings, though. I am also trying to work up my detection and processing of items in my peripheral vision.






...and repeat

[RIDEitINTOtheGR]

if you get on the gas, shouldn't it reduce the load on the front tire by sending it to the nice fat meat in the rear?
True, but I had a several front end slides that occurred as I was trying to roll on the throttle. Dunno....
I'd imagine you dont want EITHER tire to get too much more or less of its fair share of weight distribution... that gets really tricky..
in dirt i gotta get all my upper body over the front #plate to keep the front planted and lighten the back so it will slide. SO lightening can make you slide just as much as weightening (ya thats not a word:D )

also, when leanin a lot, i think that pushing on the outer peg is soooooper crucial. again, because of dirt technique but also basic physics.. that application of force would encourage rotation of the bike towards the outside = tires to the pavement. that also means u gotta lean yourself over more? plus isnt the location of the pegs rather special for your c.o.g. etc so its like a default weight distributor cuz if ur on the pegs u gotta stay more forward cuz your ass wont be holdin on as much lol?

(fyi pushing on inside peg initiates a slide, and if ur ever on an offcamber push on the DOWNhill side to keep from sliding)

please let me kno how u think these 'dirty' techniques apply and stop me if im just spewing things everyone knows alread!
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

[deno]

Originally posted by RIDEitINTOtheGR

(fyi pushing on inside peg initiates a slide, and if ur ever on an offcamber push on the DOWNhill side to keep from sliding)



in street i think it goes like this...

pushing on the inside peg dials in more lean angle. there should not be any sudden movements.. smmoootthh! none of us mortals are trying to initiate a slide, ... yet:eek:

push on the outside peg for more stability.



slap me upside the head if what I said is wrong.


I have a feeling wer'e going to get into a peg weighting controversy here:whistle:

[TreAdidas]

So is this like stop, collaborate and listen?

[deathblow]

Originally posted by deno
in street i think it goes like this...

pushing on the inside peg dials in more lean angle. there should not be any sudden movements.. smmoootthh! none of us mortals are trying to initiate a slide, ... yet:eek:

push on the outside peg for more stability.



slap me upside the head if what I said is wrong.


I have a feeling wer'e going to get into a peg weighting controversy here:whistle:

That's what I have always believed.

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deno

pushing on the inside peg dials in more lean angle. there should not be any sudden movements.. smmoootthh! none of us mortals are trying to initiate a slide, ... yet:eek:

push on the outside peg for more stability.

How about the upper body? Do you push on the handle bar at the same strength with your feet or do you focus all your weight on the pegs?

[deno]

upper body should be hanging loose. LIGHT on the bars!

I usually try and put most of my weight on the tank holding on with the inside of my leg. but I'm no racer, I'm sure Jae or Bodmaster have some insight

[RIDEitINTOtheGR]

pushing on the inside peg dials in more lean angle

ya i can see how that would be more generally the case rather than sliding on street, my only experience is on dirt-- but all in all that ends up still turnin ya sharper huh?