Body position and seating position

[GPTECHMAN]

should you be in the same riding position in a uphill and downhill turn? meaning up on the seat going up? a little bit back going down?

please assume that the turn is the same and has the same radius...

I noticed on a thread that the pics I posted up on the BOD in focus thread going downhill, Im way further back than mike and milan? what should I be doing?

BOD?


what do you guys do?

I have no idea what Im doing, glad I caught the ugliness now before it gets too late...gotta fix that shizzle quikstyle.....

I think Im further back in my seat on the way down than on the way up?

maybe not to laod the front? I think thats what Greg told me to do...yeah thats right snuffy I think its your doing....lol

I dont care, Ill listen to anything greg says...he like OB-1 and shizz

[BioTek]

Well I cant help, I only just got advised to 'make out with the mirror' to improve my position on the bike going into a turn, let alone differentiating between uphill and downhill turns.

[GPTECHMAN]

yeah, still working on that
thats definitely a big prob for me
as well as tuck my elbow and dropping my shoulder....

sometimes I feel like Im working on my body position like a golfer...

BUTT out
back straight
legs shoulder width apart
hands loose
back elbow tucked in
keep my leading elbow straight
watch my grip.........

and the list goes on..........

[pulse]

i have my butt on the seat the same way wether it is uphill or downhill.........is that wrong??

[GPTECHMAN]

ya got me, I just noticed that Im super far back in my seat and Im thinking that I am doing something wrong...I thought that I was supposed to be all up in my tank, unless its a longer sweeping turn where you would want more weight on the back tire?

[pulse]

i have been consentrating more on my foot position rather than the position of my butt on the seat. i try to get all my weight forward, up against the tank with my should dropped and i have been putting more weight on the outside peg. it feels better than before where it seemed i was putting all my weight ont he inside peg.

[shaggy]

I keep myself up on the tank no matter up or downhill. I actually slide all the way back to the rear seat under braking to keep the back end down and then kinda slide up into the tank as I enter the corner. Who knows if this is right but if your comfortable do what you want.

Who told you to tuck in your inside elbow though? I try to get my elbows out as far as I can to get your upper body down on the tank and get more leverage on the bars.

[afrothunder]

i sit with my butt all the way back...
with my long torso, i find that i get my knee wedged in the best this way. i too keep my elbows in and try to kiss the mirrors. didn't do it too well at streets on the 24th... but that's my best position... where i feel most comfortable and the bike feels the most stable.

[shaggy]

It's all about getting both your elbows out to help get you lower on the tank and gives a lot more leverage and control of your throttle....

[GetnJgyWitit]

Originally posted by shaggy
I keep myself up on the tank no matter up or downhill. I actually slide all the way back to the rear seat under braking to keep the back end down and then kinda slide up into the tank as I enter the corner. Who knows if this is right but if your comfortable do what you want.

Who told you to tuck in your inside elbow though? I try to get my elbows out as far as I can to get your upper body down on the tank and get more leverage on the bars.

This is exactly what I do as well. I try to keep my elbows out as well. But I have also heard that if your outside elbow is on the tank it keeps you from putting in to much input on the clip ons. it helps steady the front. I personally get them up and out. Or at least I try. :cool:

[GPTECHMAN]

I was talking to BK and DENO
I dont know I cant really do it anyways, but what you say makes sense...I wish BK would chime in on this one

[h2o-girl]

Awww not feelin the BK love right now?!?

He's a busy man!!! Patience!!!!!!!

[vroomvroom]

Hey Nic... don't be so hard on him, he always had a hard time being patient! So Nic, what position do you suggest for GPTECHMAN?? Elbows in or elbows out?

[GPTECHMAN]

doesnt that look like its relatively tucked in?

[GPTECHMAN]

tucked?

[GPTECHMAN]

not so tucked?

[GetnJgyWitit]

looks tucked to me, but I think it is rider preference.

[GPTECHMAN]

off topic, but doesnt this look like mike(suzukirider22?)

[GetnJgyWitit]

Elbows Out!

[GetnJgyWitit]

out! :-p

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by GetnJgyWitit
out! :-p

Now that's the best form I've seen so far! :eek:

[GPTECHMAN]

in?

mike, looking sick...Ima steal it and make it my avatar....

:clap:

[GPTECHMAN]

so Im still wondering about the seating position....are there turns that you guys shift your weight more back than in the front or are you always in the front

[afrothunder]

i'm always sittin' back.
i think it really just depends on the flow of the turns, and the track.

sometimes you may find yourself shifted forward, other times back. i don't think there's a right or wrong... just what's most comfortable for you!

[GPTECHMAN]

are you guys pivoting around the tank or scooting from side to side....I myself are scooting, gotta work on that

[GPTECHMAN]

Here's text from the lance Keigwin's article

Keep elbows down and tucked in
This is not flat track. Your elbows should be tucked in and kept low, with forearms parallel to the ground. This will help you stay relaxed on the bike -- it is harder to death-grip the handlebars and be stiff in the arms and shoulders. It will promote weight forward and chest down. And it positions your arms for the easiest and most effective steering input (nearly perpendicular to the angle of the forks). In a left corner you may find that your left elbow touches the tank or upper fairing, and your right elbow rests on the tank corner or even your thigh near the knee.

[Arnold_R1]

Doesn't each bikes different ergonomics play a role on the riders body positions!?!:confused:

[afrothunder]

sean... i 'pass' the bike from knee to knee.
i don't really scoot. i've found this to be the best way to keep the bike stable in quick flick situations. plus your knee just passes the bike right into the other knee groove in your tank... that's how i do it.

and like lance's article... i do make it a point to have my elbows find my knees. its the most planted feel for me.

[GetnJgyWitit]

I try and pivot around the tank, but I find myself scooting side to side sometimes. When I am in the flow I am pivoting or rotating around the tank. The only time I scoot back on the seat is under hard braking.

[HondaRider22]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
yeah, still working on that
thats definitely a big prob for me
as well as tuck my elbow and dropping my shoulder....

sometimes I feel like Im working on my body position like a golfer...

BUTT out
back straight
legs shoulder width apart
hands loose
back elbow tucked in
keep my leading elbow straight
watch my grip.........

and the list goes on.......... \

You said hands loose...

I personally like to have a nice and frim grip on the clip-ons and a loose, but not too loose, arms and shoulders (except under hard braking). That way I'm not losing a grip on the bike and flexible and ready for the next turn.

[shaggy]

I don't pivot, like Josh said I tend to pull with my outside leg and toss the bike mostly with my lower body when changing directions quickly. I always stay up on the tank when cornering because it is very important to keep as much weight forward as possible. It's all about keeping weight on the front tire if you don't want to die!

[HondaRider22]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
off topic, but doesnt this look like mike(suzukirider22?)


Umm... Sorta, I'm a little more upright...

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by SuzukiRider22
Umm... Sorta, I'm a little more upright...

Talk about SEPARATED @ BIRTH! Ladies and Gentlemen, we got a match! :woot:

[HondaRider22]

lol :D

[Knightshade]

here's a picture of Haga..he pretty much lays his arm on the tank..way tucked in..http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/downloads/wallpaper/sbk4/10_800.jpg

[afrothunder]

damn i want that helmet!!!

[Knightshade]

I don't know why arai doesn't offer a Haga replica...I'd be all over that!!

[afrothunder]

well... they offered his old one...
which i already have...
i'd be all over it too! :)

[CjrJAM]

Originally posted by GetnJgyWitit
out! :-p
Good Lord Mike, that pic is SIC!

[Crash716]

personally i think this guys form Rocks the party!!

[dre_2k2_f4i]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
are you guys pivoting around the tank or scooting from side to side....I myself are scooting, gotta work on that
Currently: pivoting around the tank.

What I need to work on: hooking my outside leg into the tank. I need to hang off more. I am running out of lean angle on the bike, although I am not going fast. My upper body is in the right place, I just need to move my arse off the seat. (Thanks ono_gixxer for the tips!)

[onogsxr]

Originally posted by afrothunder
sean... i 'pass' the bike from knee to knee.
i don't really scoot. i've found this to be the best way to keep the bike stable in quick flick situations. plus your knee just passes the bike right into the other knee groove in your tank... that's how i do it.

and like lance's article... i do make it a point to have my elbows find my knees. its the most planted feel for me.

YUP - that's how I transition in flick situations like in turn 3 to 4 at Willow Big Track and turn 8 at Laguna. It's really smooth for me and you put less input into the handlebars cause you use your lower body to 'pass' the bike over. You can get better control on countersteering cause you arent busy with a deathgrip trying to steer you bike. My 2 cents.....

[Philo]

Elbows IN!!!

http://home.san.rr.com/bfahr/fontana/DSC01490.JPG

[GPTECHMAN]

see, Im always thinking.....

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by Knightshade
here's a picture of Haga..he pretty much lays his arm on the tank..way tucked in..http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/downloads/wallpaper/sbk4/10_800.jpg

Well he doesn't have that much of a choice. He does that b/c #1) he's like 5ft tall and 2) that tank is like 5ft wide.

[Knightshade]

we can't all be tall like you dude...I'm only 5'6" (on a good day) myself..

[badiozam]

I was taught to have body forward, elbows and shoulders down to allow for more movement potential. I always thought elbows out didn't give the more subtle control adjustments on the handlebars that elbows in did. In other words, I tried elbows out and found that I was making large changes as opposed to smooth small corrections.

I'm 5'8" on an R6 and it fits like a glove! I was trying out with having my body a couple inches back (as opposed to crotch right up against the tank) and it felt better for straight line high speed (more aerodynamic I guess) but it was definitely not as responsive as being right on top of the tank.

[Littlebit]

my knee groves on my tank dont fit right unless i'm scooted back a bit...

[remusR6]

Spiderman does not complain :thumbsup: He hugs the bike :bowdown:

Remus

[brakstad]

Elbows out... Look! Someone dropped a quarter...