Fontana Pit Crash

[Lost]

http://www.deathshandshake.com/vids/FontanaPitCrash.wmv

There are two exits to the parking lot i entered and i was just making the left for the left exit when i was hit.

[dre_2k2_f4i]

DAYUM!!!!!! :(

[YuJinha]

What was the other guy doing to cause that?

[pulse]

wow man that is no good, did you suffer any injuries or damage from that? looks like that guy was carrying a bit of speed

[afrothunder]

that sucks dude!

[tapinya]

I hope you're all right.

[Dave600RR]

I did not attend last weekends event, but I have ridden at Fontana with FastrackRiders on several occasions. You had already exited the track when the incident occured. Did you attend the riders meeting? Did Dave Pyles give his speech? The one about track safety, the rules, and oh yes, the pit speed limit. Seems to me that you were exceeding the pit speed limit. You also abruptly changed your line at speed in the pits.
David Olson

[LuvKohshi]

Ouch! =(

[Philo]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
I did not attend last weekends event, but I have ridden at Fontana with FastrackRiders on several occasions. You had already exited the track when the incident occured. Did you attend the riders meeting? Did Dave Pyles give his speech? The one about track safety, the rules, and oh yes, the pit speed limit. Seems to me that you were exceeding the pit speed limit. You also abruptly changed your line at speed in the pits.
David Olson

:rolleyes:

Uhhhh, the other guy looked to have been going 2-3 times faster and was overtaking on the left with what couldn't have been more than 4 feet clearance. Not a good idea when that's where everybody "abruptly" changes their line (also known as "turning") to enter the garages.

I have been at Fontana and pitted with Lost (not his first time there) and he knows how to handle a motorcycle, to say the least.

[Lost]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
I did not attend last weekends event, but I have ridden at Fontana with FastrackRiders on several occasions. You had already exited the track when the incident occured. Did you attend the riders meeting? Did Dave Pyles give his speech? The one about track safety, the rules, and oh yes, the pit speed limit. Seems to me that you were exceeding the pit speed limit. You also abruptly changed your line at speed in the pits.
David Olson

Did you read the first post where i explained that i was heading to the left exit at that lot near where i was pitted. I was probablly going 15-20 while the person that hit me was going 40-50. Also if you look i had been turning for some time. Yes i was at the meeting and if you think i was going too fast, how about the guy that hit me...

[gahonee]

hope you are ok

[Akino]

damn that sucks bro. hope everything is alright. as for that dude that hit you ... straight whack i tell u ....

[GPTECHMAN]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
I did not attend last weekends event, but I have ridden at Fontana with FastrackRiders on several occasions. You had already exited the track when the incident occured. Did you attend the riders meeting? Did Dave Pyles give his speech? The one about track safety, the rules, and oh yes, the pit speed limit. Seems to me that you were exceeding the pit speed limit. You also abruptly changed your line at speed in the pits.
David Olson

are you kidding me?!?!?!?

he wasn't hauling azz and was definitely in the pit. We all hear David's speech and who are you OLSON to be saying anything...did you see how fast the other guy was going...

I know aaron and he is a very safe rider, he did not do anything wrong. Pretty bold for that to be your first post. You have been meatball flagged in my book...

Let me know when your next track day is so we can attend the rider's meeting together;)

[Philo]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
I did not attend last weekends event, but I have ridden at Fontana with FastrackRiders on several occasions. You had already exited the track when the incident occured. Did you attend the riders meeting? Did Dave Pyles give his speech? The one about track safety, the rules, and oh yes, the pit speed limit. Seems to me that you were exceeding the pit speed limit. You also abruptly changed your line at speed in the pits.
David Olson

[shichyea]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
You have been meatball flagged in my book...


LOL... meatball





glad ur alright aaron. :cool:

let us know if you need any help with anything!!

[Bryant]

Aaron, really glad you were not hurt from this accident! Looks like you got hit pretty friggin' hard from that video. =T

[GetnJgyWitit]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
I did not attend last weekends event, but I have ridden at Fontana with FastrackRiders on several occasions. You had already exited the track when the incident occured. Did you attend the riders meeting? Did Dave Pyles give his speech? The one about track safety, the rules, and oh yes, the pit speed limit. Seems to me that you were exceeding the pit speed limit. You also abruptly changed your line at speed in the pits.
David Olson

LOL this is a joke right? :slap:

David did you watch the video? The guy pulled a Yates no doubt. If you hit someone while you are coming from behind it is your fault. First time on a bike?

[Ninja Girl]

I don't know much about tracks, but it looks to me like the moron was following way too close. It seems that as soon as the last turn was made, BAM! like he wasn't expecting the turn.

Regardless if you are on a track or on the freeway, if you are hit from behind, it is because the person behind you did not leave enough room. I would think that there would be no reason to continue the race while in the pits.

Totally sucks! Go to the track and your wreck story happened at 10 mph.:(

[Captain G Force]

dayum! i hope everything is cool with you man, thats horrible!

[Dave600RR]

A two bike incident where the only contributing factors are the actions of the two riders: a) One rider could not do anything to prevent it from happening and was just at the wrong place at the wrong time when he was hit by "the other guy"; b) you are that other guy; or c) something in between a) and b) occurred. From the video, I thought that "c" occurred. In the pits, like the street, I always look before I turn, so as to avoid the other guy. Since pit speeds are slow, you can look over your shoulder before turning. The track is very different, but this did not occur on the track. Motorcyclists should have a different perspective, it is not that "it is all your fault" but how "could I prevent this from happening again/to me." I did not see this perspective in the posts regarding this incident. Did you even talk to “the other guy”? I have been in the ambulance before at Willow Springs where “the other guy” was almost in tears because what he did was very stupid and he felt very badly. But I look back on that incident and know that I could have prevented the other guy from taking me out. Sorry for the sarcasm in my first post, for my message was lost because of it.
David Olson

[CjrJAM]

WOW Aaron, hope you're ok. So what was the outcome?









meatball, lol :ha:

[Ninja Girl]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
A two bike incident where the only contributing factors are the actions of the two riders: a) One rider could not do anything to prevent it from happening and was just at the wrong place at the wrong time when he was hit by "the other guy"; b) you are that other guy; or c) something in between a) and b) occurred. From the video, I thought that "c" occurred. In the pits, like the street, I always look before I turn, so as to avoid the other guy. Since pit speeds are slow, you can look over your shoulder before turning. The track is very different, but this did not occur on the track. Motorcyclists should have a different perspective, it is not that "it is all your fault" but how "could I prevent this from happening again/to me." I did not see this perspective in the posts regarding this incident. Did you even talk to “the other guy”? I have been in the ambulance before at Willow Springs where “the other guy” was almost in tears because what he did was very stupid and he felt very badly. But I look back on that incident and know that I could have prevented the other guy from taking me out. Sorry for the sarcasm in my first post, for my message was lost because of it.
David Olson

You can't possibly be serious. After spending 20 minutes on a track with your heart in your throat, you are suppose to look over your shoulder before pulling into the pits?

As a motorcyclist, the guy that hit him should have known to expect the unexpected and being the person behind, the only one with a clear ability to control the situation.

I am sure that the guy that hit him felt bad, if not, he was a complete jerk. I do not see how Aaron was to blame for this incident in the slightest. Yeah, he should ask if there was anything that he could have done to prevent it...and the answer would be, to avoid being in front of the idiot that hit him.

[speedster1219]

From what i recall..the rider who did the speeding at the hitting was an arrogant @hole...making it seem like Aaron was at fault...

From the speech at the track....5 MPH pit speed....

I do believe that was faster than 5 MPH..and the individual who was behind Aaron should understand that speeding like that diminshes his reaction times thus not allowing him to make corrections to someone who was clearly changing directions in accordance to the rules....

I was there....

[zeal]

Dang Aaron, that sucks!! Heal up soon.

Its just unbelievable that instead of apologizing he actually said what he said :grr: . He is lucky that you were real civil and dint actually made him regret his words, any other person would have definitely given him ATLEAST select choice of words in front of the whole crowd and a good beating being a close second.

[remusR6]

I'm glad you're ok! I would have expected big damage to your left leg from the impact...but once again I'm glad you're ok.

You guys are too nice....I would lose my temper one day...(specialy after I've been hit before) ... and I would mop the track with the other guy! I can't believe some riders can be so f______g stupid!

So...what's next??

Remus

[deno]

ouch! Hope you are doing okay Aaron!

what the f uck was that guy thinking flying through the pits like that. I bet you wouldn't have even noticed him with a quick head check with the speed he was carrying.

[YuJinha]

Originally posted by Bodmaster
We strive to maintain a safe and fun environment for our members and to foster a community that focuses on the more positive and fun aspects of riding and friendship. Hope to ride with you soon!

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
are you kidding me?!?!?!?

he wasn't hauling azz and was definitely in the pit. We all hear David's speech and who are you OLSON to be saying anything...did you see how fast the other guy was going...

I know aaron and he is a very safe rider, he did not do anything wrong. Pretty bold for that to be your first post. You have been meatball flagged in my book...

Let me know when your next track day is so we can attend the rider's meeting together;)
Originally posted by Bodmaster
In any case, please no personal attacks and no "ganging up" on these forums!!! We are a friendly people. Gotta spread love, warmth, laughter, etc. :headbang: I love you guys! Please be nice to one another. *shakes hands.. no hard feelings* RIDE ON BROTHERS AND SISTERS! :rockon:

I love how so many of you guys/girls were so quick to lash out and gangbang the new guy. Way to make Hypercycles seem like a friendly enviorment to hang out at.:clap:

And please, this is nothing personal against you Sean by quoting your post. Rather than quote all the slightly unprofessional remarks, I simply quoted the first one there.

[Lost]

I didn't want to cause a stir by posting this. Mr. Olsen i dont agree with your comments but if thats how you feel then you are entitled to you opinion. Thanks to everyone that came to my defense.

Hopefully we can all learn something here. We take enough risks out on the track, there is no need to get hurt because of adrenaline from the track spilling over into the pits.

Ride safe everyone and i look forward to my next track day with the awesome people on this site. I hope there are no hard feelings Dave.

[speedster1219]

Originally posted by Lost
I didn't want to cause a stir by posting this. Mr. Olsen i dont agree with your comments but if thats how you feel then you are entitled to you opinion. Thanks to everyone that came to my defense.

Hopefully we can all learn something here. We take enough risks out on the track, there is no need to get hurt because of adrenaline from the track spilling over into the pits.

Ride safe everyone and i look forward to my next track day with the awesome people on this site. I hope there are no hard feelings Dave.
Pahrump baby!!:D

[Lost]

Sweet! When are we going? November?

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by Lost
Sweet! When are we going? November?

Damn that suxs Aaron! :rifle: Hope you feel better!~








who said Pahrump in Nov... :shifty:

[Dave600RR]

Lost,
No hard feelings here. I do not post much, but pit safety has always been an emotional issue with me. I have seen many kids in the pits. I have been to track days where one providers kids pass out water along the pits. Was it back in Aug 03 or Oct 03 when kids (a 10yr old?) were riding a motorized scooter at Fontana infield? This may seem illogical, but this dad saw your video and thought , wow, what if ithe other guy was a kid trying to catch up to her dad on the Tim Taylor motorized scooter? Could the accident have been prevented?
David Olson

[GPTECHMAN]

we are not going to play the "what if" game...

[Ikazuchi]

Yeah...I don't understand any argument for this being Aaron's fault. He was going close to the pit speed and the other guy was going WAAAY over. The area there is wide open...the other guy should have seen another rider going slow and cruise way around....but no.... he decided he should buzz Aaron and clipped him. What a f'n A-hole...he needs a good ass whoopin'

[Lost]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
Lost,
No hard feelings here. I do not post much, but pit safety has always been an emotional issue with me. I have seen many kids in the pits. I have been to track days where one providers kids pass out water along the pits. Was it back in Aug 03 or Oct 03 when kids (a 10yr old?) were riding a motorized scooter at Fontana infield? This may seem illogical, but this dad saw your video and thought , wow, what if ithe other guy was a kid trying to catch up to her dad on the Tim Taylor motorized scooter? Could the accident have been prevented?
David Olson

I agree that pit speed limits are very important. I was more than likely going 2-3 times the speed limit. I estimate my speed at 10-15 mph. I also estimate the other riders speed at 40-50. This was not a slow speed impact. The other rider was going so fast that he could not manuver around me. He even admited that he did not realize that there was another exit to the left which is where i was going. If everyone would have been going only 20 miles per hour, this accident would not have happened. I did do a head check and saw the rider coming around the corner. At that time his speed did not warrent concern. After he rounded the corner, he hit the gas and sped right into me. I have gone over what happened many times and i still can not say that if i would have done x, y would not have happened. If i was going a little slower i still would have been hit. It was not my speed that caused the accident but the speed of the rider behind me, who could not react in time to miss me. I realize that different people are going to have a different perspective on things and that is fine. I only hope that people will slow down in the pits and be a little more careful. I feel that i am safe in the pits and from now on ill be down right paranoid.

Sorry for the rant and be safe!

[Ikazuchi]

Originally posted by Lost
It was not my speed that caused the accident

Well if you were going 40-50mph this wouldn't have happened ;)

[Lost]

Originally posted by Ikazuchi
Well if you were going 40-50mph this wouldn't have happened ;)

LOL! True!

[cbrsmurf]

Originally posted by Ikazuchi
Well if you were going 40-50mph this wouldn't have happened ;)

Why is that guy trying to pass in pit lane??? Is there a race in pit lane or is it being timed or something???

[Ninja Girl]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see where Aaron answered what kind of damage the accident caused.

Obviously your bike was laid over, but how badly was your bike hurt and how about you? What about the other guy, did it cause any damage to his bike? Hope it hasn't kept you from riding.

[Lost]

Hey ninja girl! I got a mild concussion and my neck and back are kinda sore. Its getting better tho. My bike is scrached up of course, my camera is destroyed. I broke a rearset, but i had a spare. It bent a clip on and destroyed a frame slider. I think the frame is straight bu t i wont know till i ride my next track day. Crashes happen but it sucks when its not on the track!!!

[mill916]

Some of Lost's damage...

[mill916]

Lost #2

[mill916]

Lost #3

[mill916]

Lost,

Sorry about the whole thing. I am also sorry to see your camera-mount and camera were damaged. I'm glad to hear that you're doing better. I hope to ride with you again soon!

Unfortunate that things like this happen to cool peeps like yourself.:D

[Ninja Girl]

Ouch! That totally sucks. Glad you weren't hurt too bad, but it obvious now that the guy that hit you was hauling kittens when he hit you.

Hope you get back out on the track again soon!

[cbrsmurf]

I also heard some guy passed away that day as well. Anyone want to elaborate?

[speedster1219]

Originally posted by cbrsmurf
I also heard some guy passed away that day as well. Anyone want to elaborate?
try reading the post up on the trackday section..i know your tired but it will be good excercise for your eyes:eek: :-p

[mill916]

"Fontana Feeler" (http://www.hypercycles.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2321&perpage=15&pagenumber=5)



Here's the link to that track day.

[Lost]

Originally posted by mill916
Lost,

Sorry about the whole thing. I am also sorry to see your camera-mount and camera were damaged. I'm glad to hear that you're doing better. I hope to ride with you again soon!

Unfortunate that things like this happen to cool peeps like yourself.:D

It happens! It was great to do another track day with you and i look forward to riding with ya again!

Thanks for the support everyone!

[Dave600RR]

Lost,
Please accept my appologies for my postings. I understand the emotion that my postings generated in that you could have easily lost a leg or have been killed in this incident. My postings were salt in the wounds of your friends who realized that they came close to losing a riding buddy, or maybe even a friend (if you had been killed).
Sincerly,
David Olson

[mill916]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
Lost,
Please accept my appologies for my postings. I understand the emotion that my postings generated in that you could have easily lost a leg or have been killed in this incident. My postings were salt in the wounds of your friends who realized that they came close to losing a riding buddy, or maybe even a friend (if you had been killed).
Sincerly,
David Olson


You're good peeps in my book. By the way, sincerely...

WELCOME TO HYPERCYCLES!!:D

[Ninja Girl]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
Lost,
Please accept my appologies for my postings. I understand the emotion that my postings generated in that you could have easily lost a leg or have been killed in this incident. My postings were salt in the wounds of your friends who realized that they came close to losing a riding buddy, or maybe even a friend (if you had been killed).
Sincerly,
David Olson

I think we all got a bit over defensive. There is just something that triggers you when it comes to getting hit on a motorcycle. As a normally quiet and mellow person, I get very worked up and loud-mouthed whenever some idiot comes close to causing myself or my husband to get into a wreck.

I sincerely hope that you will put this behind you and give hypercycles a chance to prove themselves. From what I have found so far, they are all good people.

Welcome aboard!

[Bryant]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
Lost,
Please accept my appologies for my postings. I understand the emotion that my postings generated in that you could have easily lost a leg or have been killed in this incident. My postings were salt in the wounds of your friends who realized that they came close to losing a riding buddy, or maybe even a friend (if you had been killed).
Sincerly,
David Olson

You're a good man, David. It takes A LOT of heart to apologize in such a way and reflect on one's own emotionally charged comments and put yourself in the "other guy's shoes." I'm sure there is no love "Lost" here... everyone deserves a second chance. Lost is a super nice and very mature fellow if you haven't guessed it already. ;) Thanks for helping us all put this one behind us.

Good to have you with us, David, and we look forward to riding with ya sometime soon! :headbang: Don't be a stranger!! :cool:

bk

[Lost]

Originally posted by Dave600RR
Lost,
Please accept my appologies for my postings. I understand the emotion that my postings generated in that you could have easily lost a leg or have been killed in this incident. My postings were salt in the wounds of your friends who realized that they came close to losing a riding buddy, or maybe even a friend (if you had been killed).
Sincerly,
David Olson


Dang mang! I don't know what to say.. Your obviously a stand up guy to post that. Be safe and i hope to meet ya soon.