High Side

[swll360]

Alright, couple of months ago i lost my nutz and haven't been the same since. I was hitt'n this sweet loop (25mph) at about 45mph. Entry speed was comfortable, the lean was good but i decided to come out of the apex harder than i ever had. I've hit this turn and many other turns like it many times. Anyway, coming out of the apex my lean was as low as it can go and I can feel my rear wheel start to spin faster than i was moving. (Does that make sense?) Before i knew it, my bike stood up and i flew over the front of the bike. My question, what happend? Did i freak out and hit the brake? I don't know. Everything happen so fast. Anybody have any idea and does anybody know what to do incase it ever happens again? God Fobid it happens to anyone else. Scary.....

[a43-Dan]

ya, you highsided.when ever my rear spins,or comes out like that i stay on the throttle and slowly bring it back.sounds like you cut the throttle and the rear regained traction real fast and snapped back,throwing you off.

[kc1717]

Originally posted by a43-Dan
ya, you highsided.when ever my rear spins,or comes out like that i stay on the throttle and slowly bring it back.sounds like you cut the throttle and the rear regained traction real fast and snapped back,throwing you off.


thats exactly what happened



but dont feel too bad i did it too.


i went up to palomar trying to practice sliding the rear a bit and i broke my hand in five places.

now ive had many more slides but ive been able to control them now i know what to expect and do.

sucks though, took me a while to get my balls back, and i still have yet to go up palomar as fast as i used to

[cbrsmurf]

Happens to a lot of ppl because it's natural reaction... dont feel bad, just feel lucky you didnt get hurt!

[Bryant]

Originally posted by cbrsmurf
Happens to a lot of ppl because it's natural reaction... dont feel bad, just feel lucky you didnt get hurt!

AKA - Survival Reaction (SR).. get Keith Code's "Twist of the Wrist II" book. Might help you find your... balls back.

Originally posted by kc1717
went up to palomar trying to practice sliding the rear a bit and i broke my hand in five places.

Remember everyone, the street probably isn't the best place to be taking our beautiful bikes to its limits! :eek:

Hypercycles folks attend many trackdays throughout the year and thank goodness for folks like Trackdaz, Fastrackriders, etc.. to host these trackdays for us so that we can go out and have some REAL fun!!!

[deno]

stay constant on the throttle if your back end starts spinning

[dre_2k2_f4i]

A friend of mine once said: When in doubt, gas it. ...it'll end the misery quicker... or something like that...

...doesn't really relate to anything anyone is saying here, but I'm sick of seeing GPTechman's name at the end of every post!

[swll360]

Definitely. And as far as Twist of the rist, Just got done reading the first one. Good Stuff. Have to go and get the 2nd one now.

[Arnold_R1]

I don't understand if the back kicks out, if you keep steady on the throttle, won't it just lowside? Speakin of which, that happened to me today at Paly. I was leanin off making a left hander going up the hill, I gassed it too early and I felt the back start to slide out, so I rolled off and as I was doing so, my handle bars were turned to the right so it gave me a minor tank slapper. Sketchy situation though.

[a43-Dan]

when my rear slides out,i stay on the throttle and slowly give it less to bring the rear back under control. that make sence?

[swll360]

Yeah definitely, it's just that everything happens so damn fast that i hope to remember to do it on instinct....Hopefully i won't have to do it but if I'm gonna ride hard, i better expect it ....The thrill's of ride'n...:rockon:

[dre_2k2_f4i]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
I don't understand if the back kicks out, if you keep steady on the throttle, won't it just lowside?
It means throttle control. Steady roll off. Don't chop your throttle.

But if you are sliding and you keep your throttle constant, I think there are ways of saving the bike. Regardless, low siding is probably better than high siding.

[swll360]

Originally posted by dre_2k2_f4i
. Regardless, low siding is probably better than high siding.

This is True!!!

[dre_2k2_f4i]

Originally posted by Bodmaster
Hypercycles folks attend many trackdays throughout the year and thank goodness for folks like Trackdaz, Fastrackriders, etc.. to host these trackdays for us so that we can go out and have some REAL fun!!!
Yeah, a rider went down on a Saturday ride that I was leading. His SR was to lock the rear brake. When he realized it was locked, he immediately released it which did some nasty stuff and sent his bike into a high side. Paramedics had to roll out, but it took some time because there is no mobile signal anywhere on Spunky Canyon... as opposed to a track where the medics are sitting there, ready to roll. But no matter what, crashing sucks!

[swll360]

Yes it does. I remember my first group ride ever. It was my first crash. Maybe some of you remember. It was Memorial day weekend 2002 and i hooked up with Paul AKA linp and meet up with Hypercycles. We were on this tight A$$ single lane twisty road and i locked up my rear. Thank goodness i didn't let go. I did go off the road. :ha: :ha: :ha: :lol: I can laugh about it now but damn, like a said before, it was scary.

[deno]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
I don't understand if the back kicks out, if you keep steady on the throttle, won't it just lowside?

I'm not saying roll off the throttle. Just keep it constant and give the tire a chance to make peace with the road for a second

[nikzoom]

I highsided too back in May '03. I was approaching a right hander turn too fast, slammed on the my brakes and locked my rear. Well, when I released the rear brake my bike did a nasty wiggle and "WOO HOO," I was superman over the handle bars. Of course my landing sucked.:lol: I should of known better than to lock the rear, but it happened. Yes highsides suck, but what's funny is I now wear JR Highside leathers. haha:rolleyes:

Clint, was that accident you had on Memorial day on the Julian ride? I remember that one.

[swll360]

Yeah, that was me.... What's your name????

[nikzoom]

C'mon man. You don't know who I am? :cry:You know me as "rb643" on the socalsvrider. hehe

[swll360]

Whats up Rodger, it thought it was you by look'n at the pic....It was the different screen name.

[cbrsmurf]

Originally posted by deno
I'm not saying roll off the throttle. Just keep it constant and give the tire a chance to make peace with the road for a second

That's what I did at turn 4 on streets on 12/12... lowside.

I think I'll try to roll off thing next time. Maybe i'll just end up with a tankslapper instead.

[deathblow]

Originally posted by nikzoom
I highsided too back in May '03. I was approaching a right hander turn too fast, slammed on the my brakes and locked my rear. Well, when I released the rear brake my bike did a nasty wiggle and "WOO HOO," I was superman over the handle bars. Of course my landing sucked.:lol: I should of known better than to lock the rear, but it happened. Yes highsides suck, but what's funny is I now wear JR Highside leathers. haha:rolleyes:

Clint, was that accident you had on Memorial day on the Julian ride? I remember that one.

Ouch! I never even think about my rear brake while I'm riding in the canyons, actually anywhere for that matter. Do people really use their rear brakes while in a turn unless they want to slide the rear?

[deno]

Originally posted by cbrsmurf


I think I'll try to roll off thing next time. Maybe i'll just end up with a tankslapper instead.

that's a recipe for a highside for sure

[nikzoom]

Originally posted by deathblow
Ouch! I never even think about my rear brake while I'm riding in the canyons, actually anywhere for that matter. Do people really use their rear brakes while in a turn unless they want to slide the rear?

Well, I don't anymore. I guess some people just have to learn the hard way. :rolleyes: I was actually pretty lucky though that I didn't get seriously hurt, only ended up with a bruised knee and a bruised ego.

[GPTECHMAN]

Originally posted by deno
that's a recipe for a highside for sure

yeah I would rather lowside than highside....wouldn't you?

[cbrsmurf]

lowslides are so boring now... i need to try something new :p

[GPTECHMAN]

yeah you should take it to the next level....

[burst]

whenever the back end starts to slide I close the throttle just a hair.... when I say just a hair I mean JUST A HAIR... that is always enough to bring the back end into line and keep everything under control.

How easily the slide is controlled also depends on your tires. some tires either stick or they don't.... there is no inbetween. The Sportech M1's are very predictable when they slide making it easier to control it.

[11A-ABN]

Good luck if your rear starts sliding, but the proper text book procedure is to either keep your throttle steady, or smoothly/steadily roll on. Of course unless you are very good at controlling your slides and know exactly when you should roll on or roll off. Imagine your rear sliding in Turn 2 or 8 at WSIR(or any fast sweepers), and you roll off... :holymoly: will be your facial expression on your face if you didn't already fly off your bike...

It has been my experience in the past that if you slide, it's pretty sudden, hard to quickly notice, and very hard to try to knowingly control it. I was just lucky those few times I slid, but I know that there are guys who actually do control their slides (watch Speed channel during the season), although some do mess up at times.
Just get a good set of race tires and go slow enough so you don't have to worry about sliding ^_^

[deno]

Originally posted by 11A-ABN


It has been my experience in the past that if you slide, it's pretty sudden, hard to quickly notice, and very hard to try to knowingly control it. I was just lucky those few times I slid
Just get a good set of race tires and go slow enough so you don't have to worry about sliding ^_^

word to that! I'm just glad I have slow reflexes. HaHaha Otherwise I may have highsided myself once or twice.

[redhead4u]

They taught us in the class to always do all of your braking before the turn then roll on the throttle on the way through it but I still find myself hitting my back breaks through the turns, need much more practice. =)

Elizabeth

[kc1717]

Originally posted by redhead4u
They taught us in the class to always do all of your braking before the turn then roll on the throttle on the way through it but I still find myself hitting my back breaks through the turns, need much more practice. =)

Elizabeth

although this is what is told, i do find that you tend to use brakes during turnes occationally.

the idea is to only use them for the available traction. if you are taking a turn at 80 percent, you have 20 percent traction left for braking or accelerating before you get things sliding.

the goal for me is to get my quick turn in point to copinside with my braking so when i ease off my brakes the turn is compressing my forkes at the same rate that they are comming up from releasing the brakes so it makes the turn supersmooth.


dont be afraid to never use the brakes in a turn, just know that you are working with limited traction and too much brakes front or rear will cause a crash

[swll360]

Originally posted by 11A-ABN
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Just get a good set of race tires and go slow enough so you don't have to worry about sliding ^_^

True words of wisdom......http://westcoastridersforum.com/graemlins/pt3/deal.gif

[11A-ABN]

Originally posted by swll360
True words of wisdom......http://westcoastridersforum.com/graemlins/pt3/deal.gif


Of course "go slow enough..." also means "go fast enough only to a point" where you don't have to slide around. :cool:

And setup those suspension!! It'll reduce the sliding!

(Street compound tire usually "slide better" once they're nice and heated up) :fart: