high siding and low siding question

[mort mort]

I'm still a newbie rider and I was woundering how to prevent from low and high siding. Any advice? :confused:

[gixxerx8]

2 words: Throttle Control.

[CBR250RR]

3 words:
Only go straight...



But gixxerx8 is right :nerd:

[mort mort]

How can you feel how fast to go through a turn, I know it sounds stupid but I've seen it happen and I don't want to fall victim to it

[greenFUGU]

the only way to actually knowing seems to me that it HAS to happen to you or you should get to know your bike like the back of your head. people may disagree with me but thats how i learn form my own mistake.

[mort mort]

Good looking fam, I'm just going to trust my gut but I'll take my time still

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[GPTECHMAN]

there are no guarantees, no techniques that will help you avoid them 100 %. Ive seen two buddies one lowside and one high side going about 30mph or less. Doing nothing but cruising... Cold tires, debris, random shiz...they all are culprits. To be doing either typically, you probably are riding over your head, throttle control is key, I lowsided by loading up the front as well....tucked the front from excessive braking going in to a turn to hot....

Live and learn....

When they say throttle control, dont chop it in a turn and dont whack it wide open in a turn....smooth and steady

[mort mort]

Thanks for the advice :thumbsup:

[teamgreenzx7r]

Just remember this " be on the right gear and ride on your pace " :thumbsup:

[alvin636]

its all about your own technique, just be careful, and always keep your eye on the road ahead of you!

[maestro]

2 words: Throttle Control.
+1
besides that there are just to many other variables that you cant just control, road conditions and such. All you can do is expect the worst and hope for the best. Being prepared (gear, bike, setting up for turn) is half the battle. Ride your limits bro and you should do fine.

[zee]

+1
besides that there are just to many other variables that you cant just control, road conditions and such. All you can do is expect the worst and hope for the best. Being prepared (gear, bike, setting up for turn) is half the battle. Ride your limits bro and you should do fine.

I remember what I learned from Deathblow... Take itty bitty steps to learn. Also, my own opinion, relax the body, keep attention to whats ahead in front of you (scanning ahead). Do good maintenance on your machine, so it doesn't fail on you also. Lastly, always keep an open mind to learn, experienced or not.

[mort mort]

whaddup ZEE, didn't see you today...had a good time, hey I'm going to get Twist of the Wrist tomorrow

[ssoulssurfer]

the only way to actually knowing seems to me that it HAS to happen to you or you should get to know your bike like the back of your head. people may disagree with me but thats how i learn form my own mistake.



I think this is very true. I went down for the first time about a month ago. I realized that I took the turn and got on the throttle a little too soon (with cold tires and half the PSI though too).

[JohnTL1]

Chuck,Just don't ride beyond your abilities............ I repeat DO NOT ride beyond your abilities/knowledge. Like Zee said take small steps over time to learn,there's no rush.

[wanderer]

whaddup ZEE, didn't see you today...had a good time, hey I'm going to get Twist of the Wrist tomorrow


while TOTW is an excellent book, it is geared more towards racing. there are many other books out there that you will learn much more from at your current stage of riding ability.

to be quite honest, you're going to get thru the first chapter and be scratching your head saying huh?

look for "proficient motorcycling" and "MORE proficient motorcycling" by david hough.
there are many other great books as well

[brownbrown4]

chuck get the book twist of the wrist 2, ive been reading it over and over. it has the answer to all your questions and concerns, amazon. com buddy.

[GPTECHMAN]

get sportbike techniques....
I think thats the name
its by Nick Ienatsch

[TreAdidas]

get sportbike techniques....
I think thats the name
its by Nick Ienatsch

The Book is...

Sport Riding Techniques: How To Develop Real World Skills for Speed, Safety, and Confidence on the Street and Track

~by: Nick Ienatsch

Personal opinion is I like that book better than twist. SRT just suited my own style better and I got more out of it.

[r1brip]

from my experience a high side happens so fast it is hard to react. Just listen to what these guys say and stay within your limits and ALWAYS warm up you tires before going hard

[Termin8r]

from my experience a high side happens so fast it is hard to react.

I've never highsided, but from a majority of videos I watched of it, it seems that a lot of people rolled off the throttle when they lost traction on the rear tire. I always have to keep it in my mind when I ride that rolling off the throttle is a BAD thing when I lose traction. I think mentally preparing for it helps to "react" to it, but I still hope it never happens to me or any other rider on 2 wheels... especially if a member of the HC family.

[cbrsmurf]

What happens during a lowside, is when the tires lose traction and never regain traction causing the bike to just slide out from under you. This applies to both the front and/or rear tire. A highside occurs when the rear tire slides out and regains traction, causing the bike to whip back up and possibly throw the rider and/or the entire bike up in the opposite direction and oscillate. All these can occur, as mentioned above, independently or through of combination of situations such as debris, poor throttle control, suspension issues, bumps, incorrect braking technique... basically a whooole bunch of shiet.

From what I've gathered, a low side can be potentially saved by slowly regaining traction, either by use of the clutch, and/or throttle control, and from what i've heard from some racers by countersteering and applying more throttle. Trying to save a lowside can result in a highside if the tire regrips too suddenly, which is what happened to me at BW.

Personally, I think smoothness is the biggest factor to becoming a good rider and avoiding these situations

[deno]

using the clutch to save a low side?

[zx6racer]

aww you should do them both at least once, then you will know what to expect!!!!!

and i agree "using the clutch to save a lowside?" Jeff no more smoking crack before posting for you!!

[cbrsmurf]

aww you should do them both at least once, then you will know what to expect!!!!!

and i agree "using the clutch to save a lowside?" Jeff no more smoking crack before posting for you!!

from what i huuurd, though not tried, is that when the tire starts sliding/spinning, one pulls in the clutch a little bit so the tire can match the road speed. Yes, no???

[zx6racer]

hmm. i dont know man but i will give it a try and let you know how it works out! only problem i see is that most lowsides are a result of "pushing" or "washing" out the front tire. oh well who knows. i just recomend doing both at least once so you get a first hand knowledge of how it feels!!!:rockon:

[zx6racer]

Personally, I think smoothness is the biggest factor to becoming a good rider and avoiding these situations[/QUOTE]



i agree: and wheelies are the best way to learn throttle control, ask allan and arnold they will tell you up on one is the only way!!!!! :thumbsup:

[cbrsmurf]

hmm. i dont know man but i will give it a try and let you know how it works out! only problem i see is that most lowsides are a result of "pushing" or "washing" out the front tire. oh well who knows. i just recomend doing both at least once so you get a first hand knowledge of how it feels!!!:rockon:

yea, i don't think using the clutch during a front wheel lowside would help, but maybe a rear tire sliding out. I assumed that was why racers always had a finger or two on the clutch when leaned over and coming out of turns.

p.s. I can't wheelie my bike worth shiet, even in first gear using the off/on method -- haven't tried clutching it and I don't think I'm gonna try it that way. I barely even got the front wheel up at the wheelie hump at buttonwillow :(

[Lost]

In my experience for low siding and highsiding the best thing to do is NOTHING. Anything you are going to do is going to make the situation worse. If you are rolling on throttle, roll on throttle. The only exception i use is when i start pushing the front in a turn, then i give just the slightest bit less throttle(sometimes lifting the bike as well...). I think that if you try to make a change when you notice a low side or a sliding rear (which eventually causes a highside), you are contributing to to the problem. Highsides are caused by rear wheel slides that are delt with incorrectly by the rider. ITS OK TO SLIDE THE REAR. Its just not ok to roll off or worse chop the throtle when it happens. My .02...

[zx6racer]

+1 :cheers:

[IHAVETWONIPPLES]

Stability! The net result of everyone’s suggestions, well almost everyone. Keep the bike stable.