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GPTECHMAN
07-22-2005, 11:38 AM
"RIGHT" turns vs. "LEFT" turns: Golden Rule for Staying Alive!

Hopefully this topic of "RIGHT" turns vs. "LEFT" turns: Golden Rule for Staying Alive!" will be of value to new-to-group-riding folks (and seasoned vets too) to read, and re-read, before each weekend heading out to hit the backroads.

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- GOLDEN RULE: -

ALWAYS limit yourself to taking "RIGHTHAND" corners, up in the twisties on two-lane backroads, at a MAXIMUM of 80% of the speed that you'd take an identical corner .... if it was a "LEFTHANDER".

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What's the logic?

Blow a "LEFTHAND" corner, and run 12" wide, and in most cases you'll find yourself running out to the shoulder of the road, or perhaps off into the dirt, etc. (excluding of course turns with Armco barriers immediately at the side of the pavement). A scare, maybe some scratched plastic, but often that's the extent of the punishment for your error.

Blow a "RIGHTHAND" corner and run wide by a mere 12", and you'll find 12" of you and your bike over the centerline of the road, and in the path of the approach of a 50MPH+, 3,000lb. (or more), cage. The fate of whether you live or die, at the moment you've crossed over that "LIFE-LINE" in the center of the road in a turn ....... is no longer in your hands. It's a roll of the dice at that point. If you lose ........... a lot of others lose with you (family, friends, others). The punishment for this seemingly "minor" (only running 12" wide, right?) error in a "RIGHTHAND" turn? ........ the ultimate penalty .... lights out!

So bottom line, the key to maximizing the odds of our survival while participating in the world of performance sportbike riding on the twisty backroads of the street, is to always maintain a solid cushion between what one "could' do (as far as corrnering speeds, etc.) and what one "actually does". Adding an additional 20% cushion on top of that already cardinal rule, for all "RIGHTHAND" turns, serves to stack the odds even higher in our favor.

As a final note, please take this "Right vs. Left" concept along with you on your next ride up tele, palomar, or whatever backroad that you may frequent. You, and everyone that cares about you, will be glad you did.

A little tip that Gary told me a while back.

Philo
07-22-2005, 11:45 AM
Look at Sean getting all sage on that a$$.


Very good advice. :thumbsup:

247BlackOut
07-22-2005, 11:50 AM
I don't even have a bike yet, but because of these kind of post on the forums, I'm more aware of what I should look out even before I start riding. Thanks for the good tips.

blong
07-22-2005, 12:23 PM
Plus, you usually have better visiblity through left turns.

deathblow
07-22-2005, 12:28 PM
I have always felt that way. I always assume a car is coming around a corner, right or left hand corners.

Great post Shawn!

Termin8r
07-22-2005, 12:42 PM
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT apply this on a motorcycle road trip in Europe.

afrothunder
07-22-2005, 12:48 PM
Do not, I repeat, DO NOT apply this on a motorcycle road trip in Europe.por que rich? please explain...

Termin8r
07-22-2005, 12:52 PM
por que rich? please explain...

It's because they drive on the opposite side of the road. Gosh! Apply the theory but in the opposite direction. :thumbsup:

05GSXR600
07-22-2005, 12:52 PM
Plus, you usually have better visiblity through left turns. +1; so, are there any articles out there on how to negotiate right turns with confidence? I am still not "relaxed" going through right turns because of the lack of visibilty.......any advice? Or, is being conservative thru them the best advice?

deathblow
07-22-2005, 01:01 PM
+1; so, are there any articles out there on how to negotiate right turns with confidence? I am still not "relaxed" going through right turns because of the lack of visibilty.......any advice? Or, is being conservative thru them the best advice?

Just take your time, go slow and practice. It took me years to finally gain confidence. Time should not be an issue, your safety and comfort level should be. I am not saying that your are rushing it. But it will come in time, practice, practice, practice :)!

05GSXR600
07-22-2005, 01:05 PM
Just take your time, go slow and practice. It took me years to finally gain confidence. Time should not be an issue, your safety and comfort level should be. I am not saying that your are rushing it. But it will come in time, practice, practice, practice :)! No rush here trust me :thumbsup: just looking for more tidbits and advise........never can learn enough ya know :)

Termin8r
07-22-2005, 01:07 PM
+1; so, are there any articles out there on how to negotiate right turns with confidence? I am still not "relaxed" going through right turns because of the lack of visibilty.......any advice? Or, is being conservative thru them the best advice?

Personally, I like to turn later than earlier but this isn't always advisable depending on your ability to turn "quickly." Turning too early can either result in going wide, or will require multiple steering inputs if the turn ultimately becomes sharper or tighter than one originally expected. When you turn later, you can see more of how the turn is going to go so you can apply the appropriate steering input to make the turn accordingly. For newer riders, cautiousness in the form of speed when entering the turn is best.

afrothunder
07-22-2005, 01:08 PM
It's because they drive on the opposite side of the road. Gosh! Apply the theory but in the opposite direction. :thumbsup:oh right.
cut me some slack... its friday... my brain ain't working.... GOSH. :guitar:

Termin8r
07-22-2005, 01:20 PM
oh right.
cut me some slack... its friday... my brain ain't working.... GOSH. :guitar:

No worries, Joshie. You're still my bi...I mean my boy.

brakstad
07-22-2005, 01:26 PM
Uh, only in the UK do they drive on the opposite side, the rest of Europe is the same as here!!

Dissident
07-22-2005, 01:35 PM
With that said, I always leave at least a foot or two margin when taking left turns... Just to avoid that all-too-comon cager or bike that can't hold their line... Seen those accidents all too often, too....

Termin8r
07-22-2005, 01:36 PM
Uh, only in the UK do they drive on the opposite side, the rest of Europe is the same as here!!

Damn...no wonder everyone kept honking at us. Friggin Europeans. Just kidding, mang.

teamgreenzx7r
07-22-2005, 01:59 PM
More good info's, thanks Sean

nyburner
07-22-2005, 02:40 PM
A common "canyon road" mistake bikers make on left-handers is to hug the inside of the lane, not realizing that even though the tires are of their bike is in their lane, their upper body and head are in the opposing lane due to lean angle. It should be obvious, but you'd be surprised how often accidents occur because of this. a buffer zone [riding the outside of the lane, like Dissident mentioned, is also a good idea] fyi, i have a friend that works as an EMT in the palomar area.

justjay619
07-23-2005, 09:22 AM
great tip :thumbsup:

RadPajita
08-01-2005, 06:34 PM
I would definitely have to agree with GPtechMan on this....

I crashed going left and was happy the bike would have hit dirt instead of on coming traffic. But, we should all ride 75%-80% no matter what on the street and test your skills on the TRACK at 100% of your abilities! :thumbsup: