Pps

[deathblow]

I am probably heading up to PPS - Tustin to pick up my forks at the end of this week, or the beginning of this week. If anyone needs their forks done, I will gladly drop them off for you, which will save you a trip up to the Irvine area. I think several members on here can vouch for Stig and PPS in that he does excellent work and provides great customer service.

Just giving you guys a heads up... :)

[CjrJAM]

I only wish I was blang blanging like you foo's. Thanks anyway braddah :cool:

[deathblow]

Originally posted by CjrJAM
I only wish I was blang blanging like you foo's. Thanks anyway braddah :cool:

Dude, not too expensive at all. Of course, the addition of new springs for your weight can set you back. From PPS' website.

Forks
Rebuild $95.00

Fork rebuild includes complete disassembly of units, inspection and replacement of all worn parts, polishing of inner fork tubes, re-assembly with new oil.




Revalve $150.00
Fork revalve includes the same service as the rebuild, in addition we also change the valving for more or less compression and or rebound damping. (Optional rate fork-springs may be required with fork revalve)new springs run $99.00.**

[CjrJAM]

Wow, actually thought it was a lot more, thanks for info. Do you think that it is wise to get em redone even if my forks only have 600 miles on em?

[deathblow]

Stock valving is always a compromise. I'm sure Bryant can provide more insight as to what a revalve/rebuild will do. I just know my forks were diving way too much during braking and I felt like the front was tucking sometimes.

[kc1717]

so whats the out the door price on a revalve and respring

[deathblow]

Originally posted by kc1717
so whats the out the door price on a revalve and respring

He quoted me about 250-270 with the special valving I requested. That does not include new springs as the ones that came stock are supposedly okay for my weight. Give him a call and he will answer you questions.

[Arnold_R1]

Schweet Allan! I already know you are gonna love the difference because I did. Excellent choice! :rockon:

[deathblow]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
Schweet Allan! I already know you are gonna love the difference because I did. Excellent choice! :rockon:

Hey Arnold,

After Stig completed the work on your forks, did you still have to set them up? Did you have to set the sag, preload, rebound...? Also, when you installed your forks, did you leave them at the stock height? And, when you reinstalled your forks, was there anything you did in particular to make sure they lined up correctly? Sorry for all the nub questions. :)

[GPTECHMAN]

you are always gonna have to make sure that all you r settings are appropriate to you aren't you?
he is revalving and respringing, but that was nothing to do with the other stufff and your personal preference right?

[deathblow]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
you are always gonna have to make sure that all you r settings are appropriate to you aren't you?
he is revalving and respringing, but that was nothing to do with the other stufff and your personal preference right?

Of course, but I was asking these questions for several reasons. The main being that if I had sent out my forks to Dan Kyle, he will send it back to you ready for installation and riding for your weight and riding style, meaning the sag, rebound, comp is already set! Many guys who have went with DK have been dumbfounded that he can so closely get the forks dialed in without them being on the bike. So, I am wondering if Stig does the same or do I have to get them set.

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deathblow
Hey Arnold,

After Stig completed the work on your forks, did you still have to set them up? Did you have to set the sag, preload, rebound...? Also, when you installed your forks, did you leave them at the stock height? And, when you reinstalled your forks, was there anything you did in particular to make sure they lined up correctly? Sorry for all the nub questions. :)

Stig sets them up for your weight, sag, riding preference(mine was 75% canyon, 25% track)etc! I left it at the stock height to see how they felt with the Rennsports and with the Dunlops. I'm gonna lower the front 5mm more and raise the back another 5mm. When I was removing the forks they were about 5mm above the triple, {5 thin lines on the fork tube} I used those lines as a marker. I had Lee's set it for the SOW track day and it handles really good in turns but on the freeways and straight line commuting, it's horrible. Once you get your forks back, you'll notice how shi**y it rides on the regular roads. At first I thought he messed up my shiet since I use so used to plush suspension, then I thought about it, it is stiffer suspension and it is like a lowered car in some sense.

[deno]

What about a Rear Shock revalve job $$$ ? And, would I need it? I weigh in at a junior welter weight 155 lbs.

[deathblow]

Originally posted by deno
What about a Rear Shock revalve job $$$ ? And, would I need it? I weigh in at a junior welter weight 155 lbs.

According to PPS' website:

Shocks

Rebuild $95.00

Shock rebuild includes-Complete disassembly of unit, inspection and replacement of all worn parts, re-assembly with new oil and nitrogen recharge.**

Revalve $150.00

Shock revalve includes the same service as the rebuild, in addition we also change the valving for more or less compression and or rebound damping.**


Again, I think any revalving will help any rider, especially one with your skills since you push your bike much harder than, ummm, alot of us.

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deno
What about a Rear Shock revalve job $$$ ? And, would I need it? I weigh in at a junior welter weight 155 lbs.

Yeah even the correct spring rate on a stock shock makes a world of a difference.

[pulse]

what is the turn around time for this being completed after dropping off the forks or shock? does it take about a week or so?

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by pulse
what is the turn around time for this being completed after dropping off the forks or shock? does it take about a week or so?

yeah about a week

[shichyea]

question...
If both your front and rear suspension were equally inadequate and could only upgrade one...

Which would you do first?
(I'd venture to say the front... eh?)

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by shichyea
question...
If both your front and rear suspension were equally inadequate and could only upgrade one...

Which would you do first?
(I'd venture to say the front... eh?)

On Yamaha, I would do the front first! Though the rear shocks on 99+ Yamaha are Ohlins(Ohlins bought Yamaha Europe) rear shocks, they are build to minimum spec.

[CjrJAM]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
On Yamaha, I would do the front first! Though the rear shocks on 99+ Yamaha are Ohlins(Ohlins bought Yamaha Europe) rear shocks, they are build to minimum spec.
You tryin to say I gots an Ohlins under my a$$ and I shouldn't spend $$ to get a new one?

[deno]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
On Yamaha, I would do the front first! Though the rear shocks on 99+ Yamaha are Ohlins(Ohlins bought Yamaha Europe) rear shocks, they are build to minimum spec.

? care to elaborate?

[Arnold_R1]

Well, maybe I had it reversed, but here's one of the articles talking about a project for the 4 stroke Yamaha WR450F.
That's why the rear shocks on the 99+ R1's resemble Ohlins exterior.
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19february03twowheeldrive.html

Two-wheel drive motorcycles sound a little bizarre until you read Yamaha's detailed explanation of their system, now in its fourth year of development. Yamaha owns the Swedish company Ohlins, best known for its suspension systems, and Ohlins is the brains behind the two-wheel drive system employed by Yamaha on prototype dirt bikes since 1998. Take a look at Yamaha's explanation of the system, and its benefits here. Very interesting reading.

[deathblow]

Originally posted by shichyea
question...
If both your front and rear suspension were equally inadequate and could only upgrade one...

Which would you do first?
(I'd venture to say the front... eh?)

I had this question first and wanted to go with forks first, per Dan Kyle recommendations. But having talked to several RC owners who had both Ohlins front and rear, they said they noticed the biggest difference by going with the Ohlins rear, or just simply upgrading the rear. This also is in line when I asked Bryant this question, and he also recommended going with a upgraded rear shock also.

To me, when I went with the Ohlins shock, it made a big difference. The oscillations (pogo) effect that I hated during turns was gone and I felt more in tune with what my rear tire was doing. It also felt more planted. At the same time, it made the shortcomings of the stock front very clear. I then felt like the front could tuck, but the slides I had with the front were not of the crash variety, luckily. Also I had become very in tune with how much my front was diving when braking and entering turns.

[zx6racer]

Originally posted by deathblow
I just know my forks were diving way too much during braking and I felt like the front was tucking sometimes.

hey allan did you try adjusting them? and sometime's a forgiving setting up front can really save your a@@ , like turn 2 at streets with all the ripple's. i don't know, just a thought.:errf:

[deathblow]

Originally posted by zx6racer
hey allan did you try adjusting them? and sometime's a forgiving setting up front can really save your a@@ , like turn 2 at streets with all the ripple's. i don't know, just a thought.:errf:

I have had my suspension set up 3 times at Lee's. I really haven't been happy with my forks and always try to leave some margin because I wasn't getting the feeling I wanted from them.

[Arnold_R1]

Allan, what's the dealio on your forks? Done yet?

[deathblow]

I spoke to Stig yesterday and he told me to call him today. He is trying to have them done by tomorrow, crossing my fingers :).


Well, it looks like noone needs to have their forks dropped off, I was hoping to save somebody a trip or having to ship them up there.

[shichyea]

That was really nice of you to offer Allan...Thanks! I've been commuting :eek: on my bike since my truck is in the shop until the 19th. Some lady hit me in a parking lot. :( But she was nice enough to leave a note. :D

I think I would have taken you up on that offer though, thanks again!

Hope you're back in action by Saturday!!!!

[CjrJAM]

Originally posted by shichyea
Some lady hit me in a parking lot. :( But she was nice enough to leave a note. :D

Well that was hell a cool of her, I would of split :rolleyes: J/K

[deathblow]

Thanks for the nice words! I remember Arnold offering me the same thing when he got his forks done up there, looking back, I wish I took him up on his offer.

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deathblow
I spoke to Stig yesterday and he told me to call him today. He is trying to have them done by tomorrow, crossing my fingers :).


Yeah when Stig says tomorrow, he's 99.999998% sure on his word!

[Bryant]

Stig Pettersson





Stig Petterson, owner operator of Pettersson Pro Suspension (PPS), started his career in the motorcycle industry in his home town of Stallerholmen, Sweden in 1961. He raced motorcross on the European circuits for 17 years. In that time, he was on the winning team for Trophy Des Nations along with winning many other titles. After he ended his motorcross career, he became Brad Lackey's mechanic during his World Championship season. In 1983, Stig became the Ohlins suspension technicaion for Yamaha's Motorcross and Road Race Team. He helped with the research and development of Ohlins shocks and forks while giving technical support to the likes of Broc Glover, Ricky Johnson, Jeff Stanton, and Kenny Roberts. In 1990 Stig started PPS to give better support to all types of riders for dirt, ATV, street, and road race suspensions needs and continues to be involved with assisting top racers. Since the opening of PPS, he has helped many of the following riders & teams: Miguel Duhamel, Wayne Raiiney, Eddie Lawson, Doug Chanler, Smokin Joes (Team Honda), Yoshimura, Muzzy's Kawasaki, Factory Yamaha, Vance & Hines, Erion Racing, and Fast by Ferracchi just to name a few! Stig is always looking to the future of where suspension is being developed. That is why one of his latest design projects is a racing shock for the new fat downhill Chumba Wumba mountain bike that was featured on the cover of the April 98 issue of Mountain Bike Magazine. This is a whole new industry that will gain many benefits from his knowlege. As you can see, racing and suspension are definitely in his blood!

[Arnold_R1]

So I take it Allan got his bike back together? Fill us in on the details! Initial reaction, feel, glory, feedback!

[deathblow]

I got the bike together late Friday night. Once I thought I was done, I tested the lock to lock steering and when full right, something snagged. Turns out I routed the throttle cables on the outside of the forks, DOH! I had to take my right fork off again to route the cables correctly.


Anyways, right off the bat, I could tell the valving helped alot. The compliance just on the streets is very notiecable for me and brake dive is greatly reduced. On my short run out to Potrero, it was a joy, keeping in my I was wearing jeans so I didn't want to go overboard. I know I still have to dial it in, since Stig left it a little soft so I can stiffen it up to my liking. Front end feel is nicer but I would definitely need to go riding in full leathers to get a full feel for the forks. More to come later...


Big thanks to Stig so I can make this Monday's President's days ride!

[shichyea]

YEAH! I'm stoked for you Allan, see ya tomorrow.

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deathblow
I know I still have to dial it in, since Stig left it a little soft so I can stiffen it up to my liking. Front end feel is nicer but I would definitely need to go riding in full leathers to get a full feel for the forks. More to come later...


Big thanks to Stig so I can make this Monday's President's days ride!

Allan, did he ask you how much you ride canyons and how much you ride track? He usually sets suspension according to the circumstance of where you ride. I think he left it a little soft for the streets. If you were to set it to track settings, then it's going to be very uncomfortable say on the streets and straight line. That's why I bought it to Lees and had them set it for street(commuting) and a second setting for the track(compression and rebound changes). What spring did he use BTW?

[deathblow]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
Allan, did he ask you how much you ride canyons and how much you ride track? He usually sets suspension according to the circumstance of where you ride. I think he left it a little soft for the streets. If you were to set it to track settings, then it's going to be very uncomfortable say on the streets and straight line. That's why I bought it to Lees and had them set it for street(commuting) and a second setting for the track(compression and rebound changes). What spring did he use BTW?

I told him I rarely commute and cruise on my bike, mostly aggresive canyon riding and then track. Don't get me wrong, the forks feel totally different to me so I am still getting used to them. He was able to use the stock springs, which was nice saving me some $$.

[CjrJAM]

:clap: :clap: Congrats Allan, can't wait to finally ride with you again! ;)