Tires....

[GPTECHMAN]

you guys gonna switch em out or keep em on?

crap I dont know what to do

[TreAdidas]

Keep 'em on... I am gonna need my "superior wet traction" in the snow :rolleyes:

[deathblow]

I will be keeping mine on. I think I will be going with Arnold's suggestion of 208GPAs for the next track day, he certainly was going fast on them.

[shichyea]

Originally posted by deathblow
I will be keeping mine on. I think I will be going with Arnold's suggestion of 208GPAs for the next track day, he certainly was going fast on them.

sounds good. I'd like to try those too for next time.

[deathblow]

Let's try to get them at the same time, I have a little friend who can hook it up ;) .

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deathblow
I will be keeping mine on. I think I will be going with Arnold's suggestion of 208GPAs for the next track day, he certainly was going fast on them.

Well not as fast as Mr. Deathblow himself! ^_^ but I was definitely pleased with the feedback from the GP's as in comparision to the RS1 & 2's. I kept wondering why Bryant sworn by Dunlops?!?! :headbang: Allan and John, you are seriously gonna fall in love with those tires!

[shichyea]

Originally posted by deathblow
Let's try to get them at the same time, I have a little friend who can hook it up ;) .

perfect! thanks!

[GPTECHMAN]

so everyone is keeping them on?
I guess we are gonna have to hit up palomar everyweekend then

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
so everyone is keeping them on?
I guess we are gonna have to hit up palomar everyweekend then

Maybe when it warms up later on. I read on the SCS board that some peeps when to Paly on Fri 12/12 and at least 6 of them went down b/c their tires weren't warmed up.

[GetnJgyWitit]

Originally posted by deathblow
Let's try to get them at the same time, I have a little friend who can hook it up ;) .

Let me know too! I want to run a GP front with my RS1 or RS2 rear. :D

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by deathblow
I have a little friend who can hook it up ;) .

He doesn't happen to sit on your right shoulder and make you do bad things. . . :devil:

[TreAdidas]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
He doesn't happen to sit on your right shoulder and make you do bad things. . . :devil:

Ahhh ha ha ha ha ha....

Hey I *may* want to be on this if these things can somehow be shipped... I have my sights set on Mid-Ohio :) :) :)

[speedster1219]

Im in on this Dunlop crap so that answers the question post whore man was asking...

Im gonna keep mine on..

[Arnold_R1]

Hey Sean, you want in on some GP's too. . .opps wait a minute, they don't make 'em in your size! :whistle:

[TreAdidas]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
Hey Sean, you want in on some GP's too. . .opps wait a minute, they don't make 'em in your size! :whistle:

L - O - freaking - L :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[GPTECHMAN]

ouch low blow.....too bad my 160s were keeping up with your litre bike....

[GPTECHMAN]

and Im pretty sure zoran was sporting some of those...

[GPTECHMAN]

Originally posted by GetnJgyWitit
Let me know too! I want to run a GP front with my RS1 or RS2 rear. :D
Jiggy I think that is a really bad combo....
one has a super steep profile and the metz and pirelli have a much rounder one...Dont think that it is a good idea to mix and match to that extreme...:rolleyes:

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
ouch low blow.....too bad my 160s were keeping up with your litre bike....

Geez, I wasn't trying to scare you or catch you off guard. . .like I did on turn 1! :D Relax mang. I keep forgetting that Dunlop doesn't make a 160 tire. Also Zoran was running slicks!

[GPTECHMAN]

well they make the 207GPs in a 160 and 170...iVE BEEN TRYING TO GET ME SOMEOF THOSE TAKE OFFS...whoops caps...

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
well they make the 207GPs in a 160 and 170...iVE BEEN TRYING TO GET ME SOMEOF THOSE TAKE OFFS...whoops caps...

Didn't you see that 160 207GP that someone was trying to sell at the track? Also Leo had some 207GP in a 160 .

[GetnJgyWitit]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
Jiggy I think that is a really bad combo....
one has a super steep profile and the metz and pirelli have a much rounder one...Dont think that it is a good idea to mix and match to that extreme...:rolleyes:

I don't know, if it is as bad as you think. I know normally it isn't good to mix match tires, but I had my RS1 front start pushing on me towards the end of the day at the track. Plus most of the mafia runs the GP front with the rennsport rear. The GP is supposidly stupid sticky which gives you the confidence in the front and the RS2 or RS1 rear gives you a predictable slide they say. :confused:

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by GetnJgyWitit
The GP is supposidly stupid sticky which gives you the confidence in the front and the RS2 or RS1 rear gives you a predictable slide they say. :confused:

Yeah Mike, after trying the GP's, I ain't going back to the Rennsports. After one lap, I could feel them grab instantly.

[deno]

Tech jr.- How did that 70 series tire work out for ya. You like it? yay/nay

[GPTECHMAN]

you know what Sir Deno
I honestly couldnt tell. I dunno if thats a bad thing or a good thing...not being in tune with your bike or just going with the flow...if someone said anything I wouldnt have noticed...the only plus is that now I can get a front in any model hehe

could those of you who did the same conversion tell....are you guys just saying that you felt a big difference cause you knew that you did it or is there this big change in riding....I couldnt even wear out to the ends anyhoo....saving my leftover chicken strips for late night snack...:p

[GPTECHMAN]

Originally posted by GetnJgyWitit
I don't know, if it is as bad as you think. I know normally it isn't good to mix match tires, but I had my RS1 front start pushing on me towards the end of the day at the track. Plus most of the mafia runs the GP front with the rennsport rear. The GP is supposidly stupid sticky which gives you the confidence in the front and the RS2 or RS1 rear gives you a predictable slide they say. :confused:

well you had take offs right?
maybe they were toast....

I dont know if any slide is a great idea...Id like to stay away from that mentality of being predictable....

to each his own...I guess it doesnt matter as long as you are confident and know you're bike in and out...

Im gonna stick to matching my tires up...but Id love to hear feedback about how it turns out....:D

[kc1717]

just a suggestion.

if you decide to run the 208 gps, please have a damper. ive seen too many people crash on those tires do to crazy headshake and slappers.

they are great tires, but the most twitchy.

[GPTECHMAN]

unless you got that thing layed over...no?

[GetnJgyWitit]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
you know what Sir Deno
I honestly couldnt tell. I dunno if thats a bad thing or a good thing...not being in tune with your bike or just going with the flow...if someone said anything I wouldnt have noticed...the only plus is that now I can get a front in any model hehe

could those of you who did the same conversion tell....are you guys just saying that you felt a big difference cause you knew that you did it or is there this big change in riding....I couldnt even wear out to the ends anyhoo....saving my leftover chicken strips for late night snack...:p

The only difference I noticed was with the 70 was I wasn't riding on the edge of the tire. It made me feel more safe casue I wan't on edge.

[GetnJgyWitit]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
well you had take offs right?
maybe they were toast....

I dont know if any slide is a great idea...Id like to stay away from that mentality of being predictable....

to each his own...I guess it doesnt matter as long as you are confident and know you're bike in and out...

Im gonna stick to matching my tires up...but Id love to hear feedback about how it turns out....:D

My take offs were in great condition. I bought them from Zoran. He had used them for 6 laps and didn't like them. He said that he preferred slicks. They looked brand new. I hear the dunlups don't give you any warning when they are going to slide. One minute they are sticking and the next minute you are on the ground. I don't know this first hand though just what I have been told.

[GPTECHMAN]

I heard the exact opposite....hehe

[deathblow]

I really think it comes around to preference in the end about tires. On another board, an accomplished CCS racer with his RC and R6 will only ride on Michelins. While another track instructor uses only Rennsports. I asked them about their take on 208GPAs, and they detested them, who knows? I'll try out the GPs and see how they measure up :).

[GPTECHMAN]

yeah but mixing....

[speedster1219]

Originally posted by deathblow
I really think it comes around to preference in the end about tires.

Allan here i think sums it up...you may like something but I may not...Arnold may swear by Gp's as I may swear by Renns....

I think Renns are the **** but I havent tried GP's..sooo my opinion is limited....I just know that the stock Dunlops that came on my bike sucked....:grr:

[TreAdidas]

Originally posted by speedster1219
I just know that the stock Dunlops that came on my bike sucked....:grr:

HERE HERE!!!.. those 208 ZR's suck!

[dre_2k2_f4i]

Originally posted by TreAdidas
HERE HERE!!!.. those 208 ZR's suck!
My 208 front tire held up during the track day. My rear BT020 was probably not the wisest of choices, though. Although CLASS rides was a much slower pace, I never had any problems with my 208's.

[TreAdidas]

I wouldn't go so far as to say I had problems with my 208's... but more that I become used to them. They did not neccessarily slide or anything, but they weren't as sure footed at the Diablos... The diablos just feel like they hang on for sure... the 208's felt like they were hanging... but seemed to tell me that they could easily be convinced to do otherwise. Given that the price between the 208 ZR's and the Pirelli Diablos is small... I would just go with the Diablos. And besides all of that, they have "superior wet traction" :cool:

[GPTECHMAN]

I'd go for the diablos...but I think I gotta go with the Bt-010/Bt020 combo....

[dre_2k2_f4i]

Originally posted by TreAdidas
I wouldn't go so far as to say I had problems with my 208's...
Okay, just checking. But FYI, I believe Yamaha went with different tires for 2004. I'll have to try out the Pirelli's the next time I change both of my tires.

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by speedster1219
Allan here i think sums it up...you may like something but I may not...Arnold may swear by Gp's as I may swear by Renns....

I think Renns are the **** but I havent tried GP's..sooo my opinion is limited....I just know that the stock Dunlops that came on my bike sucked....:grr:

Carlos, coming from Rennsports then trying the GP's, I've got nothing but praise for the GP's, especially the British compound ones. Between the two, the GP's offer much greater feedback and a more planted feel. I especially noticed it in Turn 2 having the bike leaned over and downshifting to 1st on accident and not having it slide at all. :eek: It doesn't hurt to try a different tire manufacture to weigh the odds. Trust me, you won't be disappointed with GP's.

[GPTECHMAN]

Im glad those tires worked out for you arnold...you seemed real stoked and confiedent in them...

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by GPTECHMAN
Im glad those tires worked out for you arnold...you seemed real stoked and confiedent in them...

I was as stocked with the GP's as much as Gregg(Burst) was with the Supercorsas! :D

[pasta fredo]

Originally posted by Arnold_R1
I was as stocked with the GP's as much as Gregg(Burst) was with the Supercorsas! :D

Which GP's did you run? Were they the British ones? I hear the people in Enland have a way of making the 208's sticker that the one's offered in the states.

And.....are the Supercorsas as good as I hear they are?

[deathblow]

Originally posted by pasta fredo
Which GP's did you run? Were they the British ones? I hear the people in Enland have a way of making the 208's sticker that the one's offered in the states.

And.....are the Supercorsas as good as I hear they are?

The Rennsports/Supercorsas are awesome!!

[Arnold_R1]

Originally posted by pasta fredo
Which GP's did you run? Were they the British ones? I hear the people in Enland have a way of making the 208's sticker that the one's offered in the states.

And.....are the Supercorsas as good as I hear they are?

Yeah Sean and I happen to come across the Dunlop rep at one of the Oceanside stores and I was asking about British compound tires and how they are much different than U.S. He told me that Dunlop makes a specific tire for a specific track. So a lot of those "Bloody British" tires are much softer and gummy'r than U.S spec. How they made it here, I'm not sure. He mentioned that Europe is testing the '04 models before we do. :mad: As for the Supercorsas, the SC1(Pirelli) are twin to RS1's (Rennsport). Actually they are the same tire company. Both are super soft tires that offer a lot of grip.

[pasta fredo]

Sweet. I think I got a set of RS1's from Dre. I've just been waiting for that perfect trackday to mount them up. I really want to give the Pirelli's a try just for the simple fact that no one can find a down side to them except price.

[deathblow]

What Arnold has described to me as his experience on the GPs pretty much matches with what Sport Rider said with their DOT tire comparo. Sport Rider also stated that the Rennsports had a numb feeling compared to the other tires along with a squirminess under hard braking, with which I concur. At the same time they, along with the Supercorsas, were the highest rated tire and they felt that they offered the best overall grip. To each his own ;) .

[kc1717]

i love the supercorsas because the front is rounder then the 208gps, which makes you counter stear the bike over a little harder but gives you more stright line stability.

[pasta fredo]

Originally posted by deathblow
What Arnold has described to me as his experience on the GPs pretty much matches with what Sport Rider said with their DOT tire comparo. Sport Rider also stated that the Rennsports had a numb feeling compared to the other tires along with a squirminess under hard braking, with which I concur. At the same time they, along with the Supercorsas, were the highest rated tire and they felt that they offered the best overall grip. To each his own ;) .

What do you mean by "numb feeling"? Are you talking about mid corner feel? Anytime the corner felt numb to me I felt like the bike was the most solid and the tires were doing their job.

[deathblow]

'Numb' meaning that you don't get as much feedback (i.e. grip, slipping ) as the 208 GPs or the Pilot Race 2s for that matter.

[pasta fredo]

Originally posted by deathblow
'Numb' meaning that you don't get as much feedback (i.e. grip, slipping ) as the 208 GPs or the Pilot Race 2s for that matter.

Got it! Is there a balance that must be weighed by the manufacturers on this issue of "numbness" and grip? Do you sacrafice one for the other? I think I'd prefer grip over feel.

[Arnold_R1]

Yeah I agree with Allan, the Rennsports have a numb feel to them. I couldn't really tell when the Rennsports warmed up. As for the first couple laps on the Dunlops, you feel when the tires warm up. When I taking some of the turns on cold tires, if felt like regular street tires, but when they were warmed up, it felt like the bike would literally fall into the turn, then plant.

[GPTECHMAN]

yeah well if you like that then maybe you might like the H2s I hear those are pretty planted when dumped over

[deathblow]

I sold my H2s to my buddy Mike, and he likes them alot, especially compared to the Dunlops. The only thing he doesn't like is that he feels like he is falling over too fast when going into the turn, obviously because of the profile of the front tire.

[pasta fredo]

I wonder if this would help with the turn in on my RC. It just feels sluggish getting it to lean over.

[deathblow]

Raising the rear will help the turn-in. I added an extra 5mm to my Ohlins when I installed it. The 180 will also help out alot, it was very noticeable for me.

[GPTECHMAN]

Anyone heard of the 020NT Bridgestones????
does anyone sell them ?