What hand to you turn with???

[brownbrown4]

i figured id get a poll on how every one drives the canyons. i find myself using my right hand a little more than my left(and im left handed). i think i usually use the right hand to straighten up out of turns. but i think i also use it to drop into left hand turns occationally. Sooo who's a majority hand push puller???

[Crash716]

I always try to push with my inside hand.... it feels stronger and more precise that way...



That's just me... i find that when i am pulling the outside handlebar i feel like i am fighting the bike too much. this usually happens when i am riding too hard or trying to push the myself too much.

[brownbrown4]

and when you exit the turn do yuo use the outside hand to stand it up? or inside?

[Crash716]

i think i weigh the outside peg more and push the outside handlebar... don't really know... it just kinda happens...do whatever feels right...if your thinking this hard you need to slow down and just let it happen...

[brownbrown4]

LOL your right. weighing the oustside ped Really Really makes the adjustments easier.

[Cyanide41]

i think i weigh the outside peg more and push the outside handlebar...

You can't PULL the outside bar, you'd be fighting the bike.

I usually push on the inside bar to initiate the turn, after that I use alot of legs to controll the bike. Need to turn more? I pull in with the outside knee (like a thigh master). I think I do counter steer when trying to stand it up. I put weight on the inside peg when starting the turn, but by the time I am getting back on the gas, it's back on the outside peg.

[brownbrown4]

you can pull the outside bar, as long as your not pushing the inside at the same time. if your using both hands then you get the fighting action.
you know if you put your weight on the (outside peg) as you lean in it makes the bike quite a bit easier to get down. and alternatly putting the weight on the inside peg before you get your lean will make it a bit harder to turn in..<-- didnt make it up i swear.

[cbrsmurf]

you can pull the outside bar, as long as your not pushing the inside at the same time. if your using both hands then you get the fighting action.
you know if you put your weight on the (outside peg) as you lean in it makes the bike quite a bit easier to get down. and alternatly putting the weight on the inside peg before you get your lean will make it a bit harder to turn in..<-- didnt make it up i swear.

I don't think the weight on the footpeg really applies here because you are exerting vertical force on the bike which doesn't have an effect on steering. It's the horizontal force on the clip-ons that makes the bike lean/turn. Try pushing directly down on either clip-on next time you ride... the bike will go in a straight line.

[brownbrown4]

from one ffot peg to the other is another horizontal area isn't? your legs aren't pushing straight down on the pegs unless your standing up. when your sitting they push at an angle. somewhat like the angle your hands push. i didnt know this until i read "a twist of the Wrist" a while back.

[shaggy]

I think you need to go back and read the twist of the wrist again man...If you read it you would have found out that Code has proven that it is impossible to stear a bike with your legs or foot pressure. You should use both your arms equally to initiate a turn and the exit of a turn is entirely controlled by the throttle. You shouldn't have to push anything to stand the bike up...read it again if you didn't get any of that...

[Crash716]

You can't PULL the outside bar, you'd be fighting the bike.

I usually push on the inside bar to initiate the turn, after that I use alot of legs to controll the bike. Need to turn more? I pull in with the outside knee (like a thigh master). I think I do counter steer when trying to stand it up. I put weight on the inside peg when starting the turn, but by the time I am getting back on the gas, it's back on the outside peg.


ummm....thats what i said too?

[brownbrown4]

not to steer it. just to make it lighter to steer... so in 2 turns going in different directions right after each other, i shouldnt have to stand it up(or invert the push) to get ready for the next turn?

[nocontrol]

I just hit the brakes, and walk it around the corner!!!!!! Figure can't lay the bike down then...

[brownbrown4]

Saves On Gas Too..

[Wingswheels]

I think you need to go back and read the twist of the wrist again man...If you read it you would have found out that Code has proven that it is impossible to stear a bike with your legs or foot pressure. You should use both your arms equally to initiate a turn and the exit of a turn is entirely controlled by the throttle. You shouldn't have to push anything to stand the bike up...read it again if you didn't get any of that...

if its impossible to steer with legs/feet why can i control a bike and change lanes with my hands off the bars?

[melonheadR6]

try going around a corner with no hands...:hammer: :flame: :oops:

[Grimey]

if its impossible to steer with legs/feet why can i control a bike and change lanes with my hands off the bars?

It impossible to steer the bike without the front wheel turning.

[shaggy]

changing lanes isn't steering, If you can go to palomar and ride up the tightside without using your hands then you'll prove me and many others wrong...

[brownbrown4]

by Nick Ienatsch
Copyright © June 1993, Sport Rider Magazine

The mechanics of turning a motorcycle involve pushing and/or pulling on the handlebars; while this isn't new information for most sport riders, realize that the force at the handlebar affects the motorcycle's rate of turn-in. Shove hard on the bars, and the bike snaps over; gently push the bars, and the bike lazily banks in. Different corners require different techniques, but as you begin to think about lines, late entrances and late apexes, turning your bike at the exact moment and reaching he precise lean angle will require firm, forceful inputs at the handlebars. If you take less time to turn your motorcycle, you can use that time to brake more effectively or run deeper into the corner, affording yourself more time to judge the corner and a better look at any hidden surprises. It's important to look as far into the corner as possible and remember the adage, "You go where you look."

[Wingswheels]

yes, obviously you can't steer ass effectively with your feet alone, but that doesn't change the fact that you have a degree of control over the bike with your legs.

anyone seen the video of Chris Pfiffer(sp?) where he takes his hands off at slow speed, drops the bike into a turn far enough over to drag his hand on the ground, and gets the bike straightened up never touching the handlebars/throttle

i found this picture
http://www.christianpfeiffer.com/html/album/cp_01.jpg

[sandogn]

First off, look at his wheel! He is going where it is pointed because he only going about 12 mph.

He is doing slow speed turns, that is very different because countersteering does not apply. I can do a trick very much like that at slow speeds by taking my hands off, leaning left to flop the handlebars over all the way to the left, then I counterlean/ weight the outside peg to keep the bike from falling over, and the bike makes tight left handed donuts. The more I weight the outside the lower the bike can go and smaller circle I can make. If I put a bunch of pressure or almost jump on that outside peg the bike stands up, the handlebars flop the other way, I counterlean to the other side and I am making right hand turns. I did it all without touching the bars, WOW! But this does not count for anything, higherspeeds and countersteering takes over.

At higher speeds the trick does not work because counter steering rules. When riders/racers like hayden talk about weighting pegs they are refering to maximizing traction, it is a technique used in dirtbiking. When exiting a corner riders try to shift weight to an outside peg to get more traction. It does not stand the bike up any faster, if you want to do that just turn the handlebars.

Not even Rossi can steer a bike with his feet while going 60 mph, but he is using them to shift his weight around, not change the lean angle of the bike (not steer).

Yeah, Im sure you can change lanes but turn, c'mon. Its wayyyy different.

[melonheadR6]

^ +1

+ that guy is prolly running 5psi in his tires...

[shaggy]

First off, look at his wheel! He is going where it is pointed because he only going about 12 mph.

He is doing slow speed turns, that is very different because countersteering does not apply. I can do a trick very much like that at slow speeds by taking my hands off, leaning left to flop the handlebars over all the way to the left, then I counterlean/ weight the outside peg to keep the bike from falling over, and the bike makes tight left handed donuts. The more I weight the outside the lower the bike can go and smaller circle I can make. If I put a bunch of pressure or almost jump on that outside peg the bike stands up, the handlebars flop the other way, I counterlean to the other side and I am making right hand turns. I did it all without touching the bars, WOW! But this does not count for anything, higherspeeds and countersteering takes over.

At higher speeds the trick does not work because counter steering rules. When riders/racers like hayden talk about weighting pegs they are refering to maximizing traction, it is a technique used in dirtbiking. When exiting a corner riders try to shift weight to an outside peg to get more traction. It does not stand the bike up any faster, if you want to do that just turn the handlebars.

Not even Rossi can steer a bike with his feet while going 60 mph, but he is using them to shift his weight around, not change the lean angle of the bike (not steer).

Yeah, Im sure you can change lanes but turn, c'mon. Its wayyyy different.

wow, Steve couldn't have said it any better, and I have to add that this is your first serious post ever on hypercycles Steve! awesome, not even a mention of thad...

[brownbrown4]

changing lanes isn't steering, If you can go to palomar and ride up the tightside without using your hands then you'll prove me and many others wrong...
:doh: can i put my feet on the handle bars ? :D
j/k

[Dissident]

Here's the Keith Code take on it:
http://www.vf750fd.com/blurbs/countercode.html

I used both hands, even pressure. To me it's no different than a steerign wheel in the sense that using both hands gives you more control...

[Termin8r]

At higher speeds the trick does not work because counter steering rules. When riders/racers like hayden talk about weighting pegs they are refering to maximizing traction, it is a technique used in dirtbiking. When exiting a corner riders try to shift weight to an outside peg to get more traction. It does not stand the bike up any faster, if you want to do that just turn the handlebars.



Just to add, weighting the outside peg can actually begin before the turn and not just after. It's not for the purpose of steering the bike really, but for the purpose of providing leverage for the inside arm to push on the bar to initiate the turn. This is very effective in higher speed turns since it takes more effort to push the bar the faster you're going. This is taught by Keith Code in level 3. :thumbsup:

[brownbrown4]

Here's the Keith Code take on it:
http://www.vf750fd.com/blurbs/countercode.html

I used both hands, even pressure. To me it's no different than a steerign wheel in the sense that using both hands gives you more control...

And the verdict is in......again