toyota 200 crash

[mieff]

does anyone know about a bad crash at the toyota 200 this weekend? i heard someone talking about a bad crash in turn one on saturday, but my girlfriend just called me from wsir and told me that one of her friends just died up there. unfortunately, she had really bad reception and was unable to give me any details about it. does anyone know anything about this?

man, it seems like it's been a bad day for motorcycling. first i get back from palomar where i saw the aftermath of a fatal crash and now this....damn i need a beer or something.

[mieff]

i just talked to my girlfriend again and it appears that there was in fact a fatality today at wsir. i didin't know him but i do know that he raced 250 two strokes. i also believe he won one of the endurance races at wsir in july. god speed. my condolences go out to his family and friends.

[GPTECHMAN]

and I think it was in T9

[HenryF]

Man that sucks to hear that happened at WSIR. How bad was the crash at palomar. was EMS there already?

[mieff]

and I think it was in T9

yes it was.

[mieff]

Man that sucks to hear that happened at WSIR. How bad was the crash at palomar. was EMS there already?

it was a bad one. he's the thread i started about it:

http://www.hypercycles.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9750

[GPTECHMAN]

Jesus Amezcua, of La Puente, California, died from injuries sustained in a crash during Sunday’s WSMC Roadracing World 250/50 at Willow Springs International Raceway, in Rosamond, California.

Amezcua suffered the injuries in a multi-rider incident in the final corner on the final lap of the race.

Amezucua was second in the WSMC 250cc Grand Prix Championship point standings coming into this weekend's event.

[sandogn]

OMG!!! That's horrible. My heart really goes out to that guy's family and friends.

It really seems that there are some bad vibes in the air lately. Even on my dirtbike I have sustained two of the worst crashes I have ever had in just one week. My friend as well went over the bars and is in physical therapy.

Anyway be careful out there guys.

[veejay]

oh man... RIP... i went to high school in La Puente

[Arnold_R1]

Damn what a bad weekend. I think Willow needs to revamp the run off in T8 & T9. Hopefully this fatality will wake them up and realize that. R.I.P to the fallen rider.

[MatrixChick04]

r.i.p.

[Melbell]

There's been so much going on lately... with all the cops out after us, and all these crashes (I had a friend go down tonight, after I was just telling him about the crash at Palomar). Too many signals saying to stay off the road.. I wish I had my car right now, cause I don't even want to get on my bike for a while.

Its kind of ironic cause after the Palomar crash, everyone was saying how they want to stay on the track now... Now this crash at the track causing another death.. as much as it is safer than the canyons, alot of people have the impression that its no biggie to crash at the track.

[Cyanide41]

Damn what a bad weekend. I think Willow needs to revamp the run off in T8 & T9. Hopefully this fatality will wake them up and realize that. R.I.P to the fallen rider.


Well, I have to agree with you, but this instance would not make a good arguement. Apparrently Jesus was hit by another rider after he crashed. So more run off would have done no good in this case. I HEARD that the other rider was Jesus' teamate, which has to be devistating for him.

[GPTECHMAN]

where did you hear that. I heard different

[mieff]

where did you hear that. I heard different

that is what happened. my girlfriend was friends with him. she was part of the crew who were there to comfort his girlfriend, pack up all his stuff and deal with transporting it.

[GPTECHMAN]

yeah I read that wrong.


All I heard was that he passed someone coming out of 8 and then the same guy went to pass him on the outside of 9. He then had a bit of a tank slapper that ended up throwing him off the bike. There wasnt any indication that there was contact between those two riders since the other guy was fine and bike was untouched, but as he was sliding across the track he was hit by another rider. That rider went down and another rider followed them off track.

[veejay]

that is what happened. my girlfriend was friends with him. she was part of the crew who were there to comfort his girlfriend, pack up all his stuff and deal with transporting it.


:bowdown:

wow... that must be hard. having put everything away... bike and all.

[mieff]

:bowdown:

wow... that must be hard. having put everything away... bike and all.

yeah, she didn't get home (carlsbad) until 11:30 last night. She was both physically and emotionally drained. she was still somewhat of a zombie this morning too.

[Termin8r]

Its kind of ironic cause after the Palomar crash, everyone was saying how they want to stay on the track now... Now this crash at the track causing another death.. as much as it is safer than the canyons, alot of people have the impression that its no biggie to crash at the track.

I had to respond to this. I don't think I've read once anywhere on this board that anyone suggested it was no biggie to crash on the track. Having broken my ribs last June, I can attest that it's definitely not a joke out there as well. What we do say about the track is that there's no oncoming traffic, no cliffs to fall off of, no pedestrians, paramedics are readily available and where safety is highly regarded.

Also, racing is a different story where people are a lot more aggressive than those who attend a regular track day. The danger factor is definitely higher in racing, but that comes with the sport. That's not to say people can't die from a track day, but usually, organizations do a lot to prevent this from happening in their venue.

[Melbell]

I had to respond to this. I don't think I've read once anywhere on this board that anyone suggested it was no biggie to crash on the track. Having broken my ribs last June, I can attest that it's definitely not a joke out there as well. What we do say about the track is that there's no oncoming traffic, no cliffs to fall off of, no pedestrians, paramedics are readily available and where safety is highly regarded..
It wasn't said on here, but I talk to alot of riders every day (of course, since it's my job..) and the impression that I get from them is that their attitude tward the track is that if they crash, there's a ton of run off room, so the chances of them walking away from a crash that day is high. Alot of this IS true... that the likeliness of them becoming injured is much less than Palomar, but I don't think many people think that the chance of something seriously going wrong CAN happen. I could be wrong, but this is the impression that many have given me. Again, I talk to riders all day, every day... Not all of them are the smartest of people, and not everyone has the same mentality, but I was just posting an observation.

I myself will be riding less of Palomar (I probably won't even be going up there for a long time after seeing what I did yesterday), and start getting onto the track. I've been talking about going and trying to get funds together for so long, but after this weekend I really realized how it definately isn't worth my life to go play on a mountain for a few hours. One small inocent mistake can cost you your life.

Also, racing is a different story where people are a lot more aggressive than those who attend a regular track day. The danger factor is definitely higher in racing, but that comes with the sport. That's not to say people can't die from a track day, but usually, organizations do a lot to prevent this from happening in their venue.
I 100% agree. My point was more on track safety (this was before we knew the cause of the accident), rather than track days vs racing.

Again, I'm 100% for going out to the track. If I had the money, you'd see me there every weekend. But unfortuanately, I don't :errf:

[Gixxerking]

Yea I had a buddy get T-boned on Saturday by a car that ran a stop sign right in front of my face on Aero Drive in Tierasanta. He was taking that nice right hander going up the hill when the car took him out. I saw him while comming down the hill. He was knocked unconscious and had sustained a broken pelvis.

[Cyanide41]

Melbel... I think you are right. I for one, would rather crash at the track, than in the canyons. I think many riders take the "safer conditions" for granted. I know I do at times. While I had heard of riders dying, I had never been there. It was a grim reminder of the tragic things that can occur even when you take the measures to minimize the chances.

[Termin8r]

It wasn't said on here, but I talk to alot of riders every day (of course, since it's my job..) and the impression that I get from them is that their attitude tward the track is that if they crash, there's a ton of run off room, so the chances of them walking away from a crash that day is high. Alot of this IS true... that the likeliness of them becoming injured is much less than Palomar, but I don't think many people think that the chance of something seriously going wrong CAN happen. I could be wrong, but this is the impression that many have given me. Again, I talk to riders all day, every day... Not all of them are the smartest of people, and not everyone has the same mentality, but I was just posting an observation.

I myself will be riding less of Palomar (I probably won't even be going up there for a long time after seeing what I did yesterday), and start getting onto the track. I've been talking about going and trying to get funds together for so long, but after this weekend I really realized how it definately isn't worth my life to go play on a mountain for a few hours. One small inocent mistake can cost you your life.


I 100% agree. My point was more on track safety (this was before we knew the cause of the accident), rather than track days vs racing.

Again, I'm 100% for going out to the track. If I had the money, you'd see me there every weekend. But unfortuanately, I don't :errf:

On Palomar, I'm sure a lot of the riders up there THINK they know how to ride their bike despite never having been on the track. Some may get away with it and make it home after a trip up there, but I think there's a lot more luck involved than skill.

On a track, there's no hiding lack of skill. Corner workers are there to point you out if you're doing something dumb and will place you in the appropriate group depending on how well, or how poorly, you ride.

I hope you can make it out there with us some time. You'll really get to understand how well your bike can corner on a track. I'm still working on it myself, but I now no longer feel like I have to get down on the streets. And while cost is a factor, how much do you think it will it cost you to repair yourself and your bike when a truck crosses over the double yellow into you or turns left in front of you?

[melonheadR6]

On Palomar, I'm sure a lot of the riders up there THINK they know how to ride their bike despite never having been on the track. Some may get away with it and make it home after a trip up there, but I think there's a lot more luck involved than skill.

On a track, there's no hiding lack of skill. Corner workers are there to point you out if you're doing something dumb and will place you in the appropriate group depending on how well, or how poorly, you ride.

I hope you can make it out there with us some time. You'll really get to understand how well your bike can corner on a track. I'm still working on it myself, but I now no longer feel like I have to get down on the streets. And while cost is a factor, how much do you think it will it cost you to repair yourself and your bike when a truck crosses over the double yellow into you or turns left in front of you?


Well said Richie.

[Dissident]

I'll take it one step farther and say that plenty of people who do track *THINK* they are fast until they actually race....

What most of you have already said is spot on; I have walked away from crashed (ok, limped maybe) at the track that I am SURE would have killed me or severely injured me in the street, but even that involed some luck. The consequences of messing up can be pretty bad even at the track, but they're usually much, much worse in the street. But, when it's your time....

[veejay]

But, when it's your time....


rent our your room?!?

*off topic but just looks funny with your signature following that last statement